whiterabbit7500
Spectator
Piner said:
lmao, do you manage to spell that the same every time? :laugh: :laugh:
Jesus is the way....wtf.
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lmao, do you manage to spell that the same every time? :laugh: :laugh:
JiujitsuDrift
Driver
whiterabbit7500 said:
Well, my theory in a nutshell is....humans need food. It is are life force. I believe in early times they're were two types of people, nomadic tribe that would hunt and gather, and settlers who would farm for they're survival. Now as far as the farmers go, you just can't put seeds in the ground and expect them to grow. You need to follow the seasons and such for a full harvest. For that you would need to understand time. Back then they had no idea of time. They simply went to sleep and woke up. I believe though at night, most of these people got really bored. Seeing as you only really need 6 - 8 hours of sleep, they would have several hours of darkness they could play with. I think most people would spend this time having sex and making weapons to kill people with. That's pretty much all you could do. But I suppose some people would look up, and see what we call stars. I guess some got bored enough to begin tracking these objects in the heavens and would record they're results. After a while they would come to the conclusion that they're are patterns in the sky. They would use this as a tool to decide when to plant there harvest. Now the tricky part comes in how to record this. We are talking pre-Egyptian times. Before written language was common place. They had to write it in the simplest ways they could, using symbols and such. That's all fine and dandy until a few hundred years later it gets spun and woven into a tale of resurection, good vs. evil, super natural events and the all mighty destiny of the human race. But whatever, it's just a though.
"The fact of the matter is." "The truth to what I am saying is." "The hypothesis of an obtuse triangle is." The scientific genetic evolution of Monkey Boy and Monkey Girl is = primordial ooze. Opinions are ......, and everyone has one.
So are we to just live and die with no expected ending? Or, are we expected to evolve spiritually to praise and Honor Jesus Christ as our Savior? Preferably, I would want the latter, due to the inevitable death we as humans will succumb to. To think that you would go through your whole life and not believe and should have, and find yourself eternally in hell with a thirst never quenched. Or asking Jesus Christ for forgiveness and believe that he died for us and paid a debt we owed and could never repay. Just acknowledging that places you as a newborn child of God and through Jesus only can you reach Heaven. This is where I would preferably be.
It is NOT following Pat Roberts, or Jack Van Impe or Charles Stanley, but following "Christ," they are only dispensing the word from the Holy Book "The Bible." Just like any expert would in their respective studies. Cling to earthly possessions that have no warranty for eternal life. My fellow forum readers we are living in end times and the signs are revealed in Revelations. The PIN's, Barcodes, SSN's, Micro Chipping of Humans (FDA approved 5/05). You will not be able to buy, sell or trade without the "Mark". Japan's super computer that can track every human being on this earth, you will not be able to hide. Check the weather; do you actually think that it is just science explained? The word "Katrina" means to purge. It is a wake up call folks. What do you think the words In God we Trust are on the dollar bill. In 1937 the Illuminati was an Occult and still is whom convince the Secretary of Treasurer to print that particular symbol and the Latin Words NOVUS ORDER SECLORUM meaning ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT it is Secular (w/o GOD) It is not the God we know it is the eye of the Egyptian Sun God. IMF and the World Bank are already set to go to a single monetary system.
We all know there is good and evil in this world. Satan does not care for those unforgiven, he knows where they are going, but he IS at Heavens door battling for the Souls who are trying to enter. You can on believe in evolution, that is Man's decisions, not God's. After all man has a choice it is called free will. Yes Jesus did heal supernaturally to prove to the unbelievers that he was the Son of Man, and yes there were unbelievers as well and after he rose He chose to call them "Doubting Thomas' for those that needed to see".
In the Old Testament whole races were wiped out, by God's chosen people Israel or by supernatural power, because they worshipped other Gods or were wicked in their ways (secular). The tools to use them were Earthquakes, tidal waves volcanoes, fire to name a few, but when in the times of trouble or disaster I don't hear people calling out "Oh my Allah," Oh My Wind, "Oh My Fire," "Oh My Satan," etc..., They Call out "OH MY GOD and start praying. The shortest distance to a solution when a problem crisis arises is your knees and the floor.
Oh, one more thing, God's perfect love for us is and always was our "Free Will," you either pick from the "Tree of Life" or take from the tree of "Knowledge of Good & Evil." Adam and Eve took from the latter. They screwed up and it continues today.
Here is one even better, what is prophetic about the end times we are in now; check out Nahum 2:1~13 in the Bible, go ahead, pick it-up; what do you think when it reads the "chariots shall be flaming torches," in Para., 3 or "the chariots shall rage in the streets, they shall justle one against another in the broad ways, they shall seem like torches, they shall run like lightening," in Para., 4.
ANSWER- it is the autos of TODAY! What are they doing in the streets & broadways? Raging, jostling like torches and running like the lightening against one another. What happens to Nineveh? Read Nahum Ch 1 ~ 3. Make ready your souls the Lord IS knocking on your door.
You have a choice folks, (free will). The seed is planted, my work is done here!
So are we to just live and die with no expected ending? Or, are we expected to evolve spiritually to praise and Honor Jesus Christ as our Savior? Preferably, I would want the latter, due to the inevitable death we as humans will succumb to. To think that you would go through your whole life and not believe and should have, and find yourself eternally in hell with a thirst never quenched. Or asking Jesus Christ for forgiveness and believe that he died for us and paid a debt we owed and could never repay. Just acknowledging that places you as a newborn child of God and through Jesus only can you reach Heaven. This is where I would preferably be.
It is NOT following Pat Roberts, or Jack Van Impe or Charles Stanley, but following "Christ," they are only dispensing the word from the Holy Book "The Bible." Just like any expert would in their respective studies. Cling to earthly possessions that have no warranty for eternal life. My fellow forum readers we are living in end times and the signs are revealed in Revelations. The PIN's, Barcodes, SSN's, Micro Chipping of Humans (FDA approved 5/05). You will not be able to buy, sell or trade without the "Mark". Japan's super computer that can track every human being on this earth, you will not be able to hide. Check the weather; do you actually think that it is just science explained? The word "Katrina" means to purge. It is a wake up call folks. What do you think the words In God we Trust are on the dollar bill. In 1937 the Illuminati was an Occult and still is whom convince the Secretary of Treasurer to print that particular symbol and the Latin Words NOVUS ORDER SECLORUM meaning ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT it is Secular (w/o GOD) It is not the God we know it is the eye of the Egyptian Sun God. IMF and the World Bank are already set to go to a single monetary system.
We all know there is good and evil in this world. Satan does not care for those unforgiven, he knows where they are going, but he IS at Heavens door battling for the Souls who are trying to enter. You can on believe in evolution, that is Man's decisions, not God's. After all man has a choice it is called free will. Yes Jesus did heal supernaturally to prove to the unbelievers that he was the Son of Man, and yes there were unbelievers as well and after he rose He chose to call them "Doubting Thomas' for those that needed to see".
In the Old Testament whole races were wiped out, by God's chosen people Israel or by supernatural power, because they worshipped other Gods or were wicked in their ways (secular). The tools to use them were Earthquakes, tidal waves volcanoes, fire to name a few, but when in the times of trouble or disaster I don't hear people calling out "Oh my Allah," Oh My Wind, "Oh My Fire," "Oh My Satan," etc..., They Call out "OH MY GOD and start praying. The shortest distance to a solution when a problem crisis arises is your knees and the floor.
Oh, one more thing, God's perfect love for us is and always was our "Free Will," you either pick from the "Tree of Life" or take from the tree of "Knowledge of Good & Evil." Adam and Eve took from the latter. They screwed up and it continues today.
Here is one even better, what is prophetic about the end times we are in now; check out Nahum 2:1~13 in the Bible, go ahead, pick it-up; what do you think when it reads the "chariots shall be flaming torches," in Para., 3 or "the chariots shall rage in the streets, they shall justle one against another in the broad ways, they shall seem like torches, they shall run like lightening," in Para., 4.
ANSWER- it is the autos of TODAY! What are they doing in the streets & broadways? Raging, jostling like torches and running like the lightening against one another. What happens to Nineveh? Read Nahum Ch 1 ~ 3. Make ready your souls the Lord IS knocking on your door.
You have a choice folks, (free will). The seed is planted, my work is done here!
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JiujitsuDrift
Driver
So basically what you are saying is "I may not know God exist, I merely BELIEVE he exist. I do this because IF I am right, when I die I will go to Heaven." And to go to heaven you must succumb to a power greater then your own? (That never happens to show itself) Sounds like a bad insurance company to me.
whiterabbit7500
Spectator
japan101 said:
dude, as much as i would like to forget your whole post/preaching...i grew up listeing to my father spew that same crap for 18 years, so, there is three points i must make to you...and their short and sweet...
1. you must have not read the whole discussion on this thread, because we just had a 6 page discussion about EVERYTHING you just ranted about.
2. your the only one to be preaching here, instead of having a discussion about science v religion, and to me at least, its def not appreciated.
3. this whole thread has been based on fact, NOT opinions. yet, you come throwing at us quotes form the bible, claiming they are more true then proven science, but with no backing. To me, that is called OPINION!!!!!!! So don't come in here condeming us all to hell when you don't even have the decency to read through the whole thread and respond in turn. Since when has Christianity been about forcing your views down someones mouth? No one is forcing you to accept anything. If you don't like what we're talking about, then don't post. And If your going to post, please make it worth reading, if I wanted to hear all that crap you just posted, i would go talk to my dad, or go to one of those looney cult type churches.
(i didn't want to have to say it this bluntly, but it upsets me when religious zealots like you invade a perfectly good conversation with their BS.)
If you wish to respond, feel free to PM me, but please keep your narrow views out of this thread
/rant
whiterabbit7500 said:
Some times.... lol Its My friend Billys Last name back wards and My last name backwards.
And on another note. You don't have to follow a religion or a higher power to be a good person. Seriously if you have to have a book tell you right from wrong then obviously something isn't right.
I may be an atheist but I still help anyone who asks me for help if I can. I don't drink I don't smoke, I don't steal, I try to be a good friend and neighbor all the time. Religion didn't teach me that, Jesus didn't teach me that. Its common sense. And if I can't get into your so called heaven by just being a decent human being then I don't think I want to be there anyways. I don't feel like I need forgiveness for anything I have done.
whiterabbit7500 said:
"proven science"?
- Douglas Theobald
and yet evolution is a 'fact'...
science leaves earth to be luck or chance...
yea, and trees fall down in the forest and construct a house.
but i guess a planet perfectly positioned from the sun, the right atmosphere, a mild climate and the right reources to support life, is much likelier to just 'happen'. did you also know that scientists found the earth to be positioned perfectly to observe other planets? something humans would enjoy doing. i guess we got another luck of the draw.
scientists 'believed' the earth was flat.
scientists 'believed' the earth was the center of the universe.
Now scientists 'believe' in evolution.
if you want to believe science, go for it.(i believe it to a point) but dont act like anyone believing differently is not intelligent.
ilida of cola said:
last i checked carbon dating was proven innaccurate.
- Steven Stanley
- Stephen J. Gould
and the bible doesnt point to any date or timeframe of the creation of the earth.
ilida of cola said:
Evolution is taught as fact AND THEORY. fact that it happened, and a theory ("it's impossible to know that a scientific theory is right. The theory may agree beautifully with all the evidence - today. But science isn't like mathematics. There can be no guarantee about what evidence we will discover tomorrow. ") as to how it happened. thats supposed to be solid evidence?
- Christopher Booker
scientific and archaeological 'facts' have been backing up the bible for years.
i have researched much, and i am an open minded person. so dont say i am a close minded christian fundamentalist.
to each their own.
There are a few things I feel the need to contribute in regards to evolution. In listening and reading of the opinions of others on the matter of it being truth or false, the following archetypes have emerged in regards to the deniers.
1) Those who are ignorant of the theory and/or its evidence.
2) Those who insist on refuting the evidence even though those very refutations have been addressed repeatedly(bombadier beetle, age of the earth, formation of the eye etc).
3) Those who agree that the evidence points to evolution, but is inaccurate because God placed it there to mislead us.
These categories are not meant to be derogatory, but are intended to show you where you stand, and allow you to either make peace and accept where you stand in full, or to illustrate your folly.
And it is a folly to deny evolution, as this is the grand summary of the theory of evolution:
Species come from other species.
That's it. Seriously. It especially doesn't say where the first specie came from, as there are as of yet no understood and plausible explanation for how non living matter can become living matter(this is called abiogenesis, and it is at this point only hypothesis).
Species come from other species, and there hasn't been anything observed in the natural world that contradicts that.
1) Those who are ignorant of the theory and/or its evidence.
It is not wrong to be ignorant(though it may be considered wrong to speak from ignorance instead of knowledge). There are some on the planet that have knowledge to live healthily off the land with their own bare hands and little else, and others that can function well in business and in industrial society, both have a high chance of failing in general if they should switch places, because they are ignorant of the knowledge required to function in the other's respective habitat. To call either stupid would be incorrect. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, not intelligence.
2) Those who insist on refuting the evidence even though those very refutations have been addressed repeatedly(bombadier beetle, age of the earth, formation of the eye etc).
This is almost a subset of those ignorant, however in place of lack of knowledge, they have ideas (conjured or taught) that do not have substantiated evidence. Most of these refutations come from groups with agendas, and not from objective uninterested parties. They fall apart under scrutiny, however most do not go out of their way to investigate claims if they fall within their worldview. This group also tends to allege that any gap in the evidence is without fail a fatal flaw, but fail to come up with a verifiable explanation based on the same body of knowledge.
3) Those who agree that the evidence points to evolution, but is inaccurate because God placed it there to mislead us.
This category is an example of "true believer syndrome". In most cases their mind has become "read only" and anything that conflicts with their absolute truth must be rationalized in some way along that truth. This is the same category in which Holocaust Deniers, Lizard People hunters and Moon Hoax believers fall into, there is no real reasoning, only wild rationalizations with no real evidence.
These categories are not meant to be derogatory, but are intended to show you where you stand, and allow you to either make peace and accept where you stand in full, or to illustrate your folly.
And it is a folly to deny evolution, as this is the grand summary of the theory of evolution:
Species come from other species.
That's it. Seriously. It especially doesn't say where the first specie came from, as there are as of yet no understood and plausible explanation for how non living matter can become living matter(this is called abiogenesis, and it is at this point only hypothesis).
Species come from other species, and there hasn't been anything observed in the natural world that contradicts that.
well as I would say it dosen't matter if religion is correct or science is correct.
I would say if nothing else live your life the way you want, not the way the government wants you to, not what some book tells you to, or even your parents. Do what you want to do within reason. Cause if you don't then I see that as a wasted life. You have all this time on this planet and if you spend half of it trying to please someone just get somewhere after you die. Then what do you have.... a dog.
Your life is your's and your's only make it a good one.
I would say if nothing else live your life the way you want, not the way the government wants you to, not what some book tells you to, or even your parents. Do what you want to do within reason. Cause if you don't then I see that as a wasted life. You have all this time on this planet and if you spend half of it trying to please someone just get somewhere after you die. Then what do you have.... a dog.
Your life is your's and your's only make it a good one.
damn guys, all this is too much to read....
obby said:
and yet evidence of this is not found in things living, nor things dead.
organisms are distinctly broken into species, kinds and varieties.(as stated in the bible) there are no 'in-betweens'.
here is what evolution is based on:
"It is a fact that the earth with liquid water, is more than 3.6 billion years old. It is a fact that cellular life has been around for at least half of that period and that organized multicellular life is at least 800 million years old. It is a fact that major life forms now on earth were not at all represented in the past. There were no birds or mammals 250 million years ago. It is a fact that major life forms of the past are no longer living. There used to be dinosaurs and Pithecanthropus, and there are none now. It is a fact that all living forms come from previous living forms. Therefore, all present forms of life arose from ancestral forms that were different. Birds arose from nonbirds and humans from nonhumans." - Laurence Moran
underlined sentence is a lie, because where did the first organism come from if there were none before it?(creation)
bolded is a conclusion, aka an opinion, which is why he doesnt say, "it is a fact."
what i find ironic is that the information that founded evolution in this paragraph also supports Genesis 1, pretty much to a tee.(minus the opinion of evolution.) and also supports the account of the Flood in Noah's day(archaeological findings have supported this as well).
just a quote to think about:
"If a fair maiden kisses a frog which instantly changes into a handsome prince we would call it a fairy tale. But if the frog takes 40 million years to turn into a prince we call it evolution."
Piner said:
i repsect this opinion, its pretty common(your entire post).
but dont you agree that mankind needs laws/principles to guide them? certainly some peoples 'within reason', is unreasonable. which would be obvious if there were no form of law enforcement. but where should we look to get these principles? other humans?
not trying to call you out or anything bro. just trying to reason in my head...
There is evidence, just because you don't care to look at it or consider it doesn't mean it's not there, and repeating and insisting won't do anything to change that. You can start by looking up DNA. DNA is strong evidence of evolution. By saying that there is no evidence, you are implying that DNA and the huge body of research done on mutations and genes doesn't exist. Hell you're almost saying modern Biology is a big lie.Choku_Dorian said:
Like I said before, evolution doesn't explain where the first specie came from. It's clear now that you don't understand the theory of evolution. If you don't understand it then how can you effectively argue against it? Insisting and repeating the same bogus stuff that has no credible backing does not make for an argument, it's just pointless noise.Choku_Dorian said:
You fall mostly under category #2.
Educate yourself and try again. The PBS documentary series "Evolution" is a good start. After educating yourself on what evolution is and isn't, you will be ready to actually argue about it. To help you, here is your mission statement:obby said:
Describe logically how species do not come from other species, and present verifiable evidence supporting this claim.
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ilida of cola
Driver
Choku_Dorian said:
I’m not sure what you mean by “proven science?†but if it is what I am assuming, skepticism on the ability for science to be proven, then I don’t see why the same question shouldn’t be asked about religion, as in “proven religion?â€
Choku_Dorian said:
Our sun is nothing but one young star with planets revolving around it. Do you know how many stars are in our galaxy? There are about 10^(12) stars in our galaxy, and about 10^(12) galaxies. An extremely broad (based on an estimation of stars located in one known area and applied to the rest of the universe, which is currently expanding) approximation of the number of stars in our universe is somewhere around 70 sextillion. If you want to talk chance and probability, then I would say there is a pretty high chance that another planet, some x distance away from its sun, is located in an ideal position giving it the ability to mother all necessary ingredients that support life.
Choku_Dorian said:
You believed you could ride a bike the first time you tried, and then you fell.
It’s of no difficulty to mention what the early scientists hypothesized incorrectly about. Without technology to support those early notions, it’s quite obvious there would be some incorrect assumptions. Your point is that scientific beliefs always change, and I understand that. I find it interesting that you didn’t mention what the early scientists hypothesized correctly, such as matter being composed of tiny particles, known today as atoms, or the existence of some invisible force that drives all things toward the earth’s core, also known as gravity.
So yes, there were many incorrect beliefs, but if it wasn’t for science in the first place, you would have never knows these beliefs were incorrect.
And actually, some still don’t, like www. theflatearthsociety.com, haha. :]
I really hope that is all just a big joke.
Choku_Dorian said:
I’m not sure if this is directed toward me, but if it is, I tried to stress that my statements meant no offense to anyone’s beliefs. Perhaps that did not transfer very well. I apologize if you think I thought of you as unintelligent. Actually, it’s quite the contrary.
We are different and the same, and I’ll use your statement and make it my own:
If you want to believe in religion, go for it (I believe it to a point). But don’t act like anyone believing differently is not intelligent.
So you see, we share similarities, except I have just replaced the word ‘science’ with the word ‘religion’. We both value a different thing more so than another, and that is okay.
Choku_Dorian said:
Not exactly. From what I understand, it was proven accurate to a degree of, I believe, ~40,000-60,000 years. They are trying to improve it further.
Choku_Dorian said:
I don’t believe I said there is a date or timeframe of the creation of earth in the Bible. I’m not speaking about the Christian religion as a whole. I’m speaking about a specific group of Creationists, who just happen to be Christian, known as the Young Earth Creationists. These people take the dates and ages in Genesis literally, and believe the Earth was created some 10,000 years ago.
I have not read the Bible to tell you if it is in there, but I will take your word for it. I merely analyzed this group of Creationists in school quite some time ago, and it is them that I cannot understand.
Taken from Wikipedia:
“The defining characteristic of this belief is that the Earth is "young", on the order of 6,000 to 10,000 years old, rather than the age of 4.5 billion years estimated by a variety of scientific methods including radiometric dating. YECs typically derive their range of figures using the ages given in the genealogies and other dates in the Bible,â€
“Young Earth creationism is a religious doctrine that teaches that the Earth and life on Earth were created by a direct action of God relatively recently (about 6,000 years ago). It is held by those Christians who believe that the Hebrew text of Genesis can only mean a literal account of Earth's creation in six 24-hour days, that evidence for a strict interpretation of scripture as historical fact is present in the world today, and that scientific evidence that supports Darwinian evolution, geological uniformitarianism, or any other theory that may contradict their theology, is flawed or misinterpreted.
Many of its adherents are active in the development of Creation Science, a creationist endeavor that holds that the events associated with supernatural creation can be evidenced and modelled through an interpretation of the scientific method. However, a statement by 68 national and international science academies states as evidence-based fact that the Earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old, that life appeared on Earth approximately 2.5 billion years ago, and that scientific evidence has never contradicted these results.[1] Young earth creationists (YECs) claim that the lack of support for a "young Earth" theory in professional science journals or among professional science organizations is due to discrimination and censorship. “
Choku_Dorian said:
As times change, and as technology improves, so does science. I see how it is not like mathematics, although some would disagree and believe everything in the universe can be explained mathematically. I am a huge believer in mathematics, and I probably also agree with that opinion.
There is no guarantee about what evidence we will discover tomorrow, but it doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
The reason evolution is a theory, and always will be, is because man was not alive at the time evolution began millions of years ago. That is why we cannot say we have "proven" it, but rather use the terms “supported.†Science is based on experimentation and observation, known as the scientific method. Without the ability to observe evolution from the beginning, we cannot state it as fact. It can only be supported, and trust me, there is an ample amount of support for the theory of evolution.
Choku_Dorian said:
He's right, we don’t know how it took place, but we are seeing that it did.
Choku_Dorian said:
I can see how archeological or historical facts have backed the Bible for years, but I’m not quite sure I see how scientific fact has backed the Bible. If you could elaborate, it would be helpful.
Choku_Dorian said:
I like the quotes you have shared with everyone, but it is much like if I was to quote Darwin or other pro-Evolutionists. It doesn’t really get us anywhere, as many statements are swayed by opinions rather than facts, much like our discussions in this thread. But you’ve brought up some very good points and made the conversation more interesting. But exactly like you said, to each their own.
And holy shit, I apologize for how much I wrote. :x
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obby said:
fossils and strata are found in the wrong order, DNA content of certain animals does not follow the evolutionary pattern, and interdependence between organisms defies evolutionary explanation.
obby said:
so cant explain where the first origin came from, cant explain how they evolve...but it is 'fact' so i guess it happens.
obby said:
whos theory? there are almost as many variations, ideas and opinions as there are biologists.
obby said:
Hold on wait. the Evolution 'Theory', is the explanation of the process of the evolution 'fact'.
evolutionists havent been able to explain the 'theory' for over two centuries, so now you turn it on me and want me to tell you how it doesnt happen, instead of you explaining how it does happen. nice one smart guy.
If the theory of evolution were true, it would be difficult to classify organisms, since there would be so many intermediate forms. Instead, all animals can be classified into distinct "kinds", separated genetically by barriers in breeding
logically: monkeys have been reproducing monkeys for eons.
what would be unlogical is if monkeys were popping out baby humans and i was denying evolution. but not vice versa?
yea this is as useless as arguing with KA'ers...
/end thread. bye. :boring:
edit: its not going to do any good if we keep at this. so peace for now.
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ilida of cola
Driver
obby said:
I very much agree with your point of view.
ilida of cola said:
omg i cant reply to all of that my brain is fried.
i respect your opinion and outlook and i hope you the same for me, no one is going to 'convert' anyone on a forum lol, but it has been a good discussion.
and yes i have done minor research on the universe it is absolutely astonishing. i was familiar with the information you posted but dont know much more.
have fun with any new information you receive and stay open minded.
NAKED MIKE
Spectator
so like is this done :ugh: ..........
Choku_Dorian, you are making vague, weak, baseless and false comments. You literally do not know what you're talking about. You don't know what evolution is despite the fact I put it in bold and I doubt that in between my last post and now you've done any real research into anything I've said, basically you are still talking ignorant nonsense.
You are in the second category, just about everything you have said has been rehashed and shot down numerous times by logical assessment of observations and evidence, but you will not be bothered to go out of your way and actually test and verify your statements. Naturally it's easier to just talk and insist than actual fact checking.
You are making extraordinary claims against mountains of evidence and the burden of proof is on you.
You are in the second category, just about everything you have said has been rehashed and shot down numerous times by logical assessment of observations and evidence, but you will not be bothered to go out of your way and actually test and verify your statements. Naturally it's easier to just talk and insist than actual fact checking.
You are making extraordinary claims against mountains of evidence and the burden of proof is on you.