Jesus is the way....wtf.

hachi said:
Well to me it seems harder to beleive we came from monkeys and there are way to many transitional forms to not have any in fossil record. I mean think about it for billions of living things on this earth do you realize how many more transitional species there has to be. Truth is you can find out how a frog turned into a lizard. Let alone lucky mud into people. And last i checked you cant get something from nothing. Matter is matter it just changes form. Burn a tree down it turns to ash, Boil water it turns to steem. Yes i am a Christian But let me put it to you like this. Jesus was born and did live according to how the Bible says. People ask "prove God is real" I tell them look around. If i were to show you a painting that proves there was a painter, or a building would be proff there was a builder. And you can't show me scientific proff that the dolphins ever won a Super Bowl (that would be historical like the Bible) I have not been convinced science is right. Science always changes, i mean "is Pluto a planet or what". After all i dont know any scientist so most people who believe in science are not any differant in Christians " you read what someone else wrote and you believe it" and then put a darwin sticker on your car. What i know and believe is, there are alot of people throwing around the word Christian and they are out of there minds. I agree i dont force this on people, but i do share my faith, if people say there not interested then i shut up. I'm not perfect and thats not what being Christain is about. It about knowing your not perfect and will never be, But accepting Jesus as the path to eternal life with God. And thats what i believe. You wanna believe you came from monkeys thats your choice. But if your right and im wrong i've done nothing but live a better life with alot less stress, but if im right and your wrong the out come isn't as rewarding.
Sorry so long.


I have respect for your faith in the God you believe in. The point of my comment was not to touch on religion, but to touch on the fact that the creationists' given explanation had no valid backing. They were simply statements without any proof. Again, I'm not speaking about the religion itself and what people believe in, but rather the irrational explanations that they bring up.

You're right. We did not come from monkeys, otherwise, why is it that we would have evolved to what we are today, and they still did not? That alone should tell you we did not come from monkeys. In fact, there is a missing link between us and them from what I understand.

You said that we are able to trace how a frog turns into a lizard. You don't need to say anything else. That alone is an acknowledgment of evolution. So we don't know how ALL organisms evolved. But then again, we don't know a lot.

You are criticizing people reading about science and believing in it, and then putting a Darwin sticker on their car. Well then what do you suppose you're doing when you read the Bible and then wear a cross around your neck? I fail to see the difference. Science may not appeal to you, but it provides more tangible proof than does a book about faith. I suppose that is why we have religions in the first place, so we can BELIEVE, rather than KNOW.


FlyinFINN said:
It has to do with Quantam Pshysics and Parrelel Universes. Look it up, you'll find TONS about it. This exact theory scared Einstein because he couldnt figure out how alot of it works. Supposidly there are 9 Dimensions and we only live in the 3rd. Very intresting stuff. There are different level Multiverses too and within each contains a Identical Parrallel Universe. Like, w/e you are doing now, somewhere someone that has your exact name face body personality etc. is doing the exact same thing. For example, if the galaxy is infinite (goes for ever) somewhere in the entire galaxy everything has to have happened in every scenario at some point. Read about it, too much to explain, but youll read for hours.



A lot of that falls into the category of black holes and whether or not the information trapped inside a black hole is forever lost or preserved. Steven Hawking says it's preserved, but the scientific community is waiting for his final proof. Supposedly that will help to unravel many things concerning parallel universes and the like. But remember, all of what you read about this is based on THEORETICAL physics, so it is all a big theory.

I recommend reading Black Holes and Baby Universes by Stephen Hawking. :]
 
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FlyinFINN said:
We are all living in a Mulitverse in which contains replications of our selves. DONE. Theoretical Scientific Backing as well.

I fixed it.

ilida of cola said:
A lot of that falls into the category of black holes and whether or not the information trapped inside a black hole is forever lost or preserved. Steven Hawking says it's preserved, but the scientific community is waiting for his final proof. Supposedly that will help to unravel many things concerning parallel universes and the like. But remember, all of what you read about this is based on THEORETICAL physics, so it is all a big theory.

I recommend reading Black Holes and Baby Universes by Stephen Hawking. :]

w3rd. I never read that one but The Universe in a Nutshell was good (and had pretty pictures).
 
Yea of course its theoretical until someone can truley prove it. Pretty sweet stuff to read about though.
 
That’s a really good idea to have that on the car. I’m sure that no cop want’s to pull him over. Otherwise, the cop can get sue for discrimination.
 
Tonymac said:
w3rd. I never read that one but The Universe in a Nutshell was good (and had pretty pictures).

That will be next, as I have not read it yet. It's better when there are pictures and diagrams to accompany the words.
It's taking me forever to understand a lot of things he's talking about in Black Holes and Baby Universes, but I'm getting through it slowly. Some things I will never get, but that's given, unless I get a PhD in theoretical physics. :(
 
A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. (Albert Einstein)

religion came about because of things our ancient ancestors couldnt explain. Pagan religions excisted way before Monotheism...... and our view of only one GOD was non excistant back then... but men needed some sort of explanation to those things he couldnt understand.... Religion was his answer. Jesus always said he was the son of men, but some how many Christian think he said he was the son of GOD... he even said God blessed him with powers to heal and change men, and that these powers werent confined to him, that all men had a chance to obtain this power by following a righteous path through life... The church has change the meaning behind the righteous path, proof of this were the crusades.... This guy has the right to put whatever he wants on his car as long as he doesnt go around the track handing out little bibles....
 
S13SilviaCoupe said:
That’s a really good idea to have that on the car. I’m sure that no cop want’s to pull him over. Otherwise, the cop can get sue for discrimination.
Thats a good idea. Im going to get arab decals all over my car. lol
 
hachi said:
Well to me it seems harder to beleive we came from monkeys and there are way to many transitional forms to not have any in fossil record. I mean think about it for billions of living things on this earth do you realize how many more transitional species there has to be. Truth is you can find out how a frog turned into a lizard. Let alone lucky mud into people. And last i checked you cant get something from nothing. Matter is matter it just changes form. Burn a tree down it turns to ash, Boil water it turns to steem. Yes i am a Christian But let me put it to you like this. Jesus was born and did live according to how the Bible says. People ask "prove God is real" I tell them look around. If i were to show you a painting that proves there was a painter, or a building would be proff there was a builder. And you can't show me scientific proff that the dolphins ever won a Super Bowl (that would be historical like the Bible) I have not been convinced science is right. Science always changes, i mean "is Pluto a planet or what". After all i dont know any scientist so most people who believe in science are not any differant in Christians " you read what someone else wrote and you believe it" and then put a darwin sticker on your car. What i know and believe is, there are alot of people throwing around the word Christian and they are out of there minds. I agree i dont force this on people, but i do share my faith, if people say there not interested then i shut up. I'm not perfect and thats not what being Christain is about. It about knowing your not perfect and will never be, But accepting Jesus as the path to eternal life with God. And thats what i believe. You wanna believe you came from monkeys thats your choice. But if your right and im wrong i've done nothing but live a better life with alot less stress, but if im right and your wrong the out come isn't as rewarding.
Sorry so long.

I understand your point completly, but when you say that the bible is historical record, I think you are mistaken. The bible is a group of stories, brought together to unify a religion. Do I believe that jesus was a great man, and his teachings should be taught? Sure, of course. But do I believe that god created humans from nothing, and that jesus was the literal 'son of god'. No.

I'm not trying to put down your bliefs again, but just pointing out how the bible is not a historical record.
 
Judaism puts christ at the same level as other prophets like Moses, abraham etc... even St. Mark calls jesus the son of man, and a healer... but many things are lost in translation...
 
DUDOCIUS said:
A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. (Albert Einstein)

wow, i love that quote...describes my beliefs perfectly...

common sense tells us that there must be some sort of higher being. I personally, believe in the Big Bang, and that all activity in the universe spawned from there over billions of years...evolution, planetary motion, etc. But common sense tells you that something had to have created that mass of gas and dust in the first place. That is my religion

( i know i'm late in this discussion, but its a pain in the ass to post stuff from my sidekick at work.)
 
It's one of those, what came first, the chicken or the egg type things.

Even if you resort to thinking that some higher power created all the galactic dust and such, then what created it? It, as in, the higher power. How did that come about? What source did that sprung from? Whose decision was it to have a higher power? Did the higher power just create everything and that's that? Where is the motive for creating such a HUGE medium that is the universe? It's easy to see how this could be a never-ending story.

And the funny part is when we talk about the universe, we're hardly an electron revolving around an atom of the Silica compound that makes up the crystalline structure of a grain of sand on all the beaches put together.
 
ilida of cola said:
It's one of those, what came first, the chicken or the egg type things.

Even if you resort to thinking that some higher power created all the galactic dust and such, then what created it? It, as in, the higher power. How did that come about? What source did that sprung from? Whose decision was it to have a higher power? Did the higher power just create everything and that's that? Where is the motive for creating such a HUGE medium that is the universe? It's easy to see how this could be a never-ending story.

ya, thats why it will probably always be a mystery. But its also why I belive there has to be some sort of higher power...

ilida of cola said:
And the funny part is when we talk about the universe, we're hardly an electron revolving around an atom of the Silica compound that makes up the crystalline structure of a grain of sand on all the beaches put together.

you forget that if the theory of the accelerating universe is correct, then we are getting smaller and smaller by the second as compared to the size of the universe. :D

ya...this is the official SFLD nerd thread :bigthumbu
 
i will tell you the truth the Bible is black history. most people pollute the meaning of the bible and go around scaring people that GOD is coming back in 7 years. or the 7 year theory where the anti-christ will show up on the picture and make world peace for the first 3.5 years then try to dominate the world for the second half, all while there will be a rapture of christians who leave the earth unharmed wil the rest of the world suffers from the turmoil of this individual until God returns again(that would make a 3x appearance instead of 2).
THE 7 year theory is false, because if that were true it would be to evident and everyone would be able to suspect something like that in this day and age. I do believe GOD is coming back one day(it could be today tomorrow next year, or whatever) and i dont try to force my beliefs on anyone. if the conversation steers in that direction then i talk about but once again you cannot force someone to love GOD or to see it in your P.O.V.

This guy is within all his rights to put what ever on his car, even if it was blasphemus, and science take of world evolutioh is a theory and always will be and most of the theory in science cancel each other out but i digress.
Christ did say he is the son of God, please dont take the text out of context. most Bibles have been rewritten and watered down, but find the original if you want and you find the truth!
There is a higher power, people created the "study of how things should work because they want to reject God" but hey thats my opinion i dont mean to offend anyone, but this thread is starting to get ridiculous kind of like the creation vs. evolution thread on zilvia.net, you cannot change someones views about life on a car forum but again i digress
 
Ricky Cash said:
This guy is within all his rights to put what ever on his car, even if it was blasphemus, and science take of world evolutioh is a theory and always will be and most of the theory in science cancel each other out but i digress.
Christ did say he is the son of God, please dont take the text out of context. most Bibles have been rewritten and watered down, but find the original if you want and you find the truth!
There is a higher power, people created the "study of how things should work because they want to reject God" but hey thats my opinion i dont mean to offend anyone, but this thread is starting to get ridiculous kind of like the creation vs. evolution thread on zilvia.net, you cannot change someones views about life on a car forum but again i digress

i have to disagree on a few points...

1. people did not create "the study of how things work to reject God." On the contrary, people have always been curious as to how the world works...thats where religion comes from in the first place!! Earlier civilizations always looked up to nature as a supreme being, in order to explain what they could not. Modern religions such as judaism, christianity, islam, etc are all in some way descended from these early religions, but also take into account the science of their time. In other words, religion started as almost absurd tales to explain the very basic elements of nature, but progressed forward with the science that explained nature. Take for example the story in Greek Mythology of Hercules. His father was Zeus (king of the gods), and his mother was a mortal. In effect, its the same story as that of Jesus...yet most christians I know speak of pagan religions as if they were evil and absurd.

2. this thread is actually getting better as it goes along because it is one of the few, non-car related discussions i've seen on here, where there is no name calling, etc.

3. I'm not trying to change anyones views. Simply pointing out the scientific logic and FACTS behind what I believe, just as you pointed out what YOU believe.

if you want to have a more in depth discussion, PM me.
 
religion is a concept of how the word works nothing is proven and nothing is going to stop. its all a matter of people thinking what they want to think, it what America was founded on.
 
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