Jesus is the way....wtf.

see this is how I look at religion vs. science.


Religion = We know everything cause it says so in our text, who wrote it? Why god of course.

Science = We are trying to learn all we can so we can understand how things work. If we come up with an idea of how something works and it prove to be false we work on a new idea.

I dislike how people of the religious sect talk about science always changing and "contradicting it self"

I like this question were you born knowing how to walk? were you born knowing how to talk? You had trial and error to learn these things and thats all science is Learning instead of stating that it is this way and this way only.

I look at the bible as a collection of stories written by men.
 
Word son. I had one guy tell me I was an idiot for believing that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago and that man never came in contact with them because the bible says otherwise...Not to start anything up but SOME hardcore religious people are the most narrow minded individuals I've ever met. :confused:
 
whiterabbit7500: i am in support of people trying to find the answers to how things work and the understanding of things that they can't control, however what i dislike is that people use science against history and try to say that the Bible(or the Scriptures) is false and that God doesn't exist, and if that still can't be proven then why go around spreading that spin on things. me personally just like many "Hebrew Christians" that i know of, like science such as astronomy and chemistry, but social sciences such as philosphy where professors of such subject try to turn peoples minds with narrow minded views on life in general is something im against.
and it is quite humorous how you do bring up hercules where some comic books heroins do imitate the famed story of Yahshua ben Yosef(JESUS CHRIST) such as superman.He was from beyond this world sent here and raised by a human counterpart until he realized what his purpose was and went on his mission to protect mankind from forces we could not win against on our own. To my recollection superman did die in one of the issues and came back to life i forget how in a following edition just like the Christ. many tales are taken from the this somewhat well known story. and yes this thread is getting better but again im not trying to change anyones views on religion or life or whatever. but i do thank you for your educated rebuttel to my response.

Piner: the Sriptures were written by man inspired by God, thats why when God would speak his works would be (in many Bibles) red. but again many version of the Bible has been kind of polluted and watered down to a point where you should believe the religions point of view instead of God's. such as Catholicism and Jehovahs witness, etc.

rb_reds13: the guy is obviously narrowminded to tell you that dinosaurs could not have existed especially when bones are showing up everywhere. also the Bible does mention that the earth has been around for a long while, but no one actually knows how long, so to put an exact date on it isn;'t really fair on either part.

i dont totally disagree with anyone trying to share their faith, to me its a good thing. however some religions only do that, where they try to get you sucked into the religion and have you going to church every saturday or sunday in many cases, which i think is wrong. because going to church wont get you saved, being a good person wont get you saved, like the title says sans the "wtf" phrase, "Jesus is the way." But once again i cannot overstep my bounds since this is not a "save me i want to go to Heaven thread."

But there are many narrow minded people in this world that only have one sided views about everything, such as silvia's are the best drift cars in the world, or chocolate chocolate chip/mint is the best icecream flavor on the planet. or honda's suck. i think i should be an informed person and not fall into that category nor will i trash someone else for believing something that i dont believe in, tradition is hard to break, that should be understood, and in that respect I will not say "Jesus is the way....wtf" because if I do then I would have to ask myself "Ok now which way do i go now?" But i digress.
 
^ I actually started my own religion once with a friend of mine I wrote a 30 page bible for the "Order of Zyterikul Ikswelto" . We worshiped the spoon and the fork was the devil. The basis of that was the Spoon when eating cereal brings up the lift giving nourishing milk while the fork denys it. Lol

I had like 25 people from my school as members or disiples. Its not hard to start a religion. I mean If I can write a religious text anyone can. Hell maybe 2000 years from now the Order of Ikswelto will be a well established religion with a couple million or so followers. Who knows but to me there is no way for me to trust that anything is inspired by god when it was written by a person.

Also another point to this story is that most people on this planet are followers, very few REAL leaders. So when a REAL leader comes along they will believe anything that they are told to believe. Look at Hitler, Look at Kim jon il look at any great dictator and you'll see that they were great at making people believe what they wanted them to believe. I like to use history as well history repeats itself over and over again and thats why. Hell there are still people in Russia Who think Stalin was a really awesome guy who did a great job of running the country despite killing more than 12 million of his own people.
 
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Ricky Cash said:
This guy is within all his rights to put what ever on his car, even if it was blasphemus, and science take of world evolutioh is a theory and always will be and most of the theory in science cancel each other out but i digress.
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The problem with saying that Evolution is just a theory and always will be as a point in a religion vs. science debate (and I'm not arguing whether you are right or not, because you are right, it is just a theory) is that it's not too strong of an argument. This is why...

Definition of theory:
a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena

Definition of religion:
a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny


One is purely based on belief, while the other is based on cognitive processes that we've used to survive since we were born. We are our own proof that our senses are the reason we've been able to survive and procreate. Just based on our own use of these senses during our lifetime (touch, smell, hearing, taste, sight) we were provided with factual information. So to completely reject a theory just because it is a theory would be like rejecting your own existence, as both are based on the same principles. A scientific theory like the theory of evolution is a hypothesis that has strongly been supported with cognitive processes, while religion has skipped all of the experimentation and observation and turned directly into a belief. The reason the theory of evolution will always be a theory is because it's based on millions of years when man did not exist. We cannot prove something without having observed it. Please do not mistake me for saying that YOU are denying the theory, but my point is many Christians are (and people of other religions as well) just because they so strongly stick to their book of faith and fail to see that the opposition (science) is based on principals that they themselves could not have survived without. I support people that believe in God, but I do not support people that do the same while completely rejecting science.

So to sum it up, to completely deny science would be like completely denying your own existence.

And this is the reason why I have a problem with people believing that our planet is no more than 10,000 years old.

Also, what I've said above is without the intention of arguing against you... it's just an added on point to this good discussion. In fact, I'm enjoying your responses, as well everyone elses. :bigthumbu
 
wow, this thread is still going on.... damn the guys a strong believer... let him be. this aint a forum to discuss religon... go to church people!!!
 
fuck a church, it would burn to the ground if I ever set foot in it. I am waiting for the earth to swallow me whole one day
 
Ricky Cash said:
what i dislike is that people use science against history and try to say that the Bible(or the Scriptures) is false and that God doesn't exist, and if that still can't be proven then why go around spreading that spin on things. me personally just like many "Hebrew Christians" that i know of, like science such as astronomy and chemistry, but social sciences such as philosphy where professors of such subject try to turn peoples minds with narrow minded views on life in general is something im against.
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thats the thing. when i think of "science", i think of anything that is PROVEN FACTUALY, not theoretically. I, for one, don't consider psychiatry, philosophy, etc to be "Science", be cause it cannot be measured and proved correct 100% of the time. For example, how far is the Earth from the Moon? It's a stat that we can measure accurately using equipment, so we know it to be the truth. But how will a 5 year old child react when placed in a certain situation? The answer will never be 100% clear and factual...one can only assume, based on patterns of behavior, how the child will act in the future, but it's not certain.

Piner said:
^ I actually started my own religion once with a friend of mine I wrote a 30 page bible for the "Order of Zyterikul Ikswelto" . We worshiped the spoon and the fork was the devil. The basis of that was the Spoon when eating cereal brings up the lift giving nourishing milk while the fork denys it. Lol
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where can i sign up?!?!?! I always knew the fork was the devil!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Piner said:
Who knows but to me there is no way for me to trust that anything is inspired by god when it was written by a person.
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exactly. unless god himself speaks to me, i don't believe it. Not because I want to "deny god" or anything like that, but because it is written by man, and mankind lies.
 
kwkouki said:
fuck a church, it would burn to the ground if I ever set foot in it. I am waiting for the earth to swallow me whole one day
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I am a Christian. The term Christian is used to freely without understanding what it really means. Religion is man made and that is how I see it. Religion is what man created to show what he could do for God. Christianity is an attitude and a relationship with Jesus Christ.

The Church is the people and not the building. The people of the Church make up the Body of Christ. The Bible is the inspired Word of God. The old Testament is the history of God's People Israel. the New Testament is about the new covenant (promise) with His people and the Gentiles (everyone that is not Jewish) through Jesus Christ.

I dont believe in evolution. Where did the thought of God come from if it wasn't divinely placed in the human phsyce since man was created. If we came from monkeys how could we have thought of something like that and made him out to be more complex than we are considering we are from monkeys to some people.
 
japan101 said:
I dont believe in evolution. Where did the thought of God come from if it wasn't divinely placed in the human phsyce since man was created. If we came from monkeys how could we have thought of something like that and made him out to be more complex than we are considering we are from monkeys to some people.
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The idea of a "God" doesn't have to have been divinely placed like you say. Take one look at a beautiful sunset/sunrise, watch waves crash on rocks, watch any part of nature in motion and you'll be inspired to believe in a power higher then yourself. If you think back long enough, such as to the origin of earth and the solar system for example, you'll begin to think of what created it all.
 
japan101 said:
I dont believe in evolution. Where did the thought of God come from if it wasn't divinely placed in the human phsyce since man was created. If we came from monkeys how could we have thought of something like that and made him out to be more complex than we are considering we are from monkeys to some people.
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Alright. Pretend you a caveman, you dont know shit about shit. Your mom just passed out on the ground and stopped moving. You cry and think shes dead. Then she wakes up 10min later and its like she came back from the dead. You start to think, she was dead. How did she come back? You start to think and you look, the sun is just comming up. The SUN must have brought her back to LIFE! The SUN must be our guardian...our....god!

Thats how religion starts, none of that devine crap.
 
amazing video jeff, thanx so much for posting that. goes to show that every religion in the world is basically spawned from the same pagan ideas.
 
^ yeah except My religion The order of Zytrikul Ikswelto. That was My idea alll mine! hahaha
 
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