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I feel more comfortable in my S13 then ANY otehr cars EXCEPT a S2000 Miata and a IS300 THATS IT NTOHING ELSE. now this is a FACT TO MY BODY, every BMW mercedes ANYTHING NO MATTER WHAT IT WAS, i didnt want, not becuase of the motor chassis design NOTHING, MY BODY didnt feel comfortable inside Im guessing american/german make cars for taller people and japs make for shorter? gueero NOT everyone owns a nissan beaucse of the drift frenzy, but if everyone drove BMW it would be a boring pos world!!

heres are MY facts of why i like nissan so much
1. Nissan has been in my family BEFORE I was born
2. 1990s Nissan racing LEGEND!!
3. THERE cars, relibality, inovation, performance, I CAN afford.

btw Lexus>over BMW mercedes ANYTHING so STFU.

Average German male is over 6feet tall, average Japanese male is roughly 5ft9

Not too hard to figure that one out.... German cars always have lots of headroom, but if you like a tight car then try a Z3 or Z4. They wrap around you pretty close.... I'm not personally a fan of the Z3 because the rear suspension feels funky....

But Nissan are not 1990's racing legends. They were very successful at endurance racing for 3-4 years, and they built a quite awesome car for BTCC for a couple years.

True racing legends are: Ferrari, Porsche, Ford, Lotus and BMW. Audi is quickly trying to add their name to that list and Honda is very close, especially if you factor in motorcycle racing.
 
Comparing 2 RWD turbo cars to each other is like comparing a FWD econobox to an AWD supersedan? Now that's truly ridiculous.....

And set up?? Pardon me but I dont think any of us have x-ray vision on here. Why don't you share the setup of the S14?? From what I can tell, the only thing he needs is a LSD, or a something better than a blown VLSD.....

Talk smack on BMW all you want though, you cant take away the IMSA trophies, ALMS trophies, BTCC trophies, SCCA, F1, FIA GT, WTCC, ETCC, TOCA, Australian Touring CC, Asian Touring CC, USRRC, USTCC, GT3, GT2, LMP1...... +dozens more

An that's just off the top of my head. And I don't know that because of owning a BMW, I know that because I love racing. And I own a BMW BECAUSE of my love for racing.

This thread didn't start as a BMW vs Nissan thread though so I'm not really trying to make it that.

It just as well could have been a cluless guy in a open diff 328 and then a Skyline GT-S and it would have been the opposite. Your comments were just silly and show way too much bias to Nissan. Anyone should experience both before trying to trash one.

I think a lot of you guys on here think bad of BMW's because Harri's 535i broke quite a few times back in the day. What people never remember is that Harri took a 200,000mile STOCK BMW engine and boosted the living shit out of it and drove the wheels off of it. That engine finally died December 4th 2004 after seeing over 30psi many times when the HKS boost controller decided to take a cigarette break. So what did we do? We installed another engine in less than 12 hours so Harri could take sponsors for rides the next day. But someone installed the thermostat backwards( I know who it was, but he didn't know any better and was a HUGE help that night swapping the engine). The 'new' engine had something like 150,000miles on it...... Well the car overheated like crazy the next day, but Harri kept beating on it all day long anyway and the next week we took the head off and sent it to be ported and machined..... the porting guy messed up and hit a water passage but never told anyone. That head lasted maybe 2-3 events before becoming a problem and dropping so much water in the motor that it bent a rod. Swapped some rods, still on block number 2, still tock BMW pistons, rods and head with a cam, headgasket and mild porting.... This motor broke some rocker arms in Lousiana with Hannu driving and probably revving to about 35,000million RPM.... so the rocker arms were replaced with more stock ones, and reinforcement was welded in them.... then the car went to the 2006 IRL demo in St. Pete and hotlapping became an issue with the stock radiator.... car overheated pretty bad, massive blowby... turns out detonation killed ring lands on think 3-4 pistons.... and caused some cylinder scoring... So now for block number3 (a BMW 635 engine with 180,000miles) and this one lasted through the end of 2006. Early '07 Harri finally had some money to spend on the car and since the engine needed a new cam (old cam torn up by bad installation), he just decided to rebuild the whole thing with aftermarket parts. It is still on block3 I think making over 700hp and 700lb-ft at roughly 20psi with built internals. The motor has seen over 30psi surges, and the only issue has been cometic gaskets cant seal properly so we went back to old turboF1 style 'cutting ring' gaskets. With the big power and strong valve springs the rockers became a problem again in California so the head has aftermarket rockers now. Only problem now is the car make so much torque and the 3plate tilton clutch engages so hard that she likes to break halfshafts, but you guys can call me when 240sx parts hold that power and torque...

Oh and it will be on the New York Times front page when a KA or any other NA Nissan engine holds 20psi.....

lmao !!!! come on some one reply to him!! :bigthumbu:D
 
Comparing 2 RWD turbo cars to each other is like comparing a FWD econobox to an AWD supersedan? Now that's truly ridiculous.....

And set up?? Pardon me but I dont think any of us have x-ray vision on here. Why don't you share the setup of the S14?? From what I can tell, the only thing he needs is a LSD, or a something better than a blown VLSD.....

Talk smack on BMW all you want though, you cant take away the IMSA trophies, ALMS trophies, BTCC trophies, SCCA, F1, FIA GT, WTCC, ETCC, TOCA, Australian Touring CC, Asian Touring CC, USRRC, USTCC, GT3, GT2, LMP1...... +dozens more

An that's just off the top of my head. And I don't know that because of owning a BMW, I know that because I love racing. And I own a BMW BECAUSE of my love for racing.

This thread didn't start as a BMW vs Nissan thread though so I'm not really trying to make it that.

It just as well could have been a cluless guy in a open diff 328 and then a Skyline GT-S and it would have been the opposite. Your comments were just silly and show way too much bias to Nissan. Anyone should experience both before trying to trash one.

I think a lot of you guys on here think bad of BMW's because Harri's 535i broke quite a few times back in the day. What people never remember is that Harri took a 200,000mile STOCK BMW engine and boosted the living shit out of it and drove the wheels off of it. That engine finally died December 4th 2004 after seeing over 30psi many times when the HKS boost controller decided to take a cigarette break. So what did we do? We installed another engine in less than 12 hours so Harri could take sponsors for rides the next day. But someone installed the thermostat backwards( I know who it was, but he didn't know any better and was a HUGE help that night swapping the engine). The 'new' engine had something like 150,000miles on it...... Well the car overheated like crazy the next day, but Harri kept beating on it all day long anyway and the next week we took the head off and sent it to be ported and machined..... the porting guy messed up and hit a water passage but never told anyone. That head lasted maybe 2-3 events before becoming a problem and dropping so much water in the motor that it bent a rod. Swapped some rods, still on block number 2, still tock BMW pistons, rods and head with a cam, headgasket and mild porting.... This motor broke some rocker arms in Lousiana with Hannu driving and probably revving to about 35,000million RPM.... so the rocker arms were replaced with more stock ones, and reinforcement was welded in them.... then the car went to the 2006 IRL demo in St. Pete and hotlapping became an issue with the stock radiator.... car overheated pretty bad, massive blowby... turns out detonation killed ring lands on think 3-4 pistons.... and caused some cylinder scoring... So now for block number3 (a BMW 635 engine with 180,000miles) and this one lasted through the end of 2006. Early '07 Harri finally had some money to spend on the car and since the engine needed a new cam (old cam torn up by bad installation), he just decided to rebuild the whole thing with aftermarket parts. It is still on block3 I think making over 700hp and 700lb-ft at roughly 20psi with built internals. The motor has seen over 30psi surges, and the only issue has been cometic gaskets cant seal properly so we went back to old turboF1 style 'cutting ring' gaskets. With the big power and strong valve springs the rockers became a problem again in California so the head has aftermarket rockers now. Only problem now is the car make so much torque and the 3plate tilton clutch engages so hard that she likes to break halfshafts, but you guys can call me when 240sx parts hold that power and torque...

Oh and it will be on the New York Times front page when a KA or any other NA Nissan engine holds 20psi.....

Whats with the categorizing. Its like one side thinks the whole other side is a certain way. Is it like this then bmw=douchbags and nissan=poor haple sons of bitchs?
 
maybe you should get a better mechanic so then your "points of not breaking down" will be better.
btw nissans dont need 700hp our cars are lighter. not to mention we have a smaller motor, but our drivetrain still holds good weirdly. With hoe many nissan are drifting for events how many do you see break down? 1,2 maybe 3? thats all i see, and thats with 80%nissan line up. my 164K mile ka is still holding good good compression and have been drifting with it for 4-5years? yea i woudl say its reliable, not to mention im not the only one.


The mechanics were us, and you're talking about a group of people who have done so much for the Florida drifting scene that you really need to think twice and watch your mouth......

Whats with the categorizing. Its like one side thinks the whole other side is a certain way. Is it like this then bmw=douchbags and nissan=poor haple sons of bitchs?

The post I wrote shows that BMW owners are just as much poor hapless SOB's just read how long we tried to use stock parts because we are poor/cheap bastards...
 
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LOL not many people will take up the SEAN LOVE CHALLENGE. Thats like me telling slickrick i know more about kats then he does. :/


Nissan guys still haven't brought any hardcore facts to the table besides personal preference.
 
The mechanics were us, and you're talking about a group of people who have done so much for the Florida drifting scene that you really need to think twice and watch your mouth......



The post I wrote shows that BMW owners are just as much poor hapless SOB's just read how long we tried to use stock parts because we are poor/cheap bastards...

IM NOT trying to take ANYTHING away for what you guys have done, but it looks like I have hit a nerve the same nerve you guys hit with me when you gusy talk shit about nissan, its the same thing when we talk shit about bmw's, there cars thats it for the street to sell to people, we all liek cars and like motorsports so why not live with that, because we ALL known this is a never ending battle that NO ONE will win.
 
Let me ask you something, AND I SERIOUSLY AM ASKING FOR INFO AND TO KNOW. BMW performance parts are more expensive am i right?
 
LOL not many people will take up the SEAN LOVE CHALLENGE. Thats like me telling slickrick i know more about kats then he does. :/


Nissan guys still haven't brought any hardcore facts to the table besides personal preference.

The fact is I LOVE my nissan, and theres NOTHING you can do say or prove to change my mind.
Acctually just becuase you like bmw's im going to go out and buy a new CSL M3 2-maro, happy debt guys.

Let me ask you something, AND I SERIOUSLY AM ASKING FOR INFO AND TO KNOW. BMW performance parts are more expensive am i right?
depends some mostly, i would say yes only because bmw are all sopsoe to have deep pockets, not if you factor in ohlins coilovers which make for bwms and nissan there around the same price.
 
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Let me ask you something, AND I SERIOUSLY AM ASKING FOR INFO AND TO KNOW. BMW performance parts are more expensive am i right?

Sometimes, but you get a part that is guarenteed to work perfect. That's aside from the argument. Carry on.
 
Let me ask you something, AND I SERIOUSLY AM ASKING FOR INFO AND TO KNOW. BMW performance parts are more expensive am i right?

Are jdm parts expensive?


Please that argument has way to many variables. Please rephrase your question. Just because you can make a 500 hp rwhp sr20det for 4k does not mean you cant do that with a m50tu. In fact they make 500hp for less than that 1000hp and more in its other variants.

My argument is that most nissan owners dont know enough about either of the companies to have a valid argument.

I can say m50tu m20b25 s50 and they are all the same thing you guys. Clueless engine codes. Now with me and sean we have seen / worked on both and have seen the after-market / capabilities etc etc. Thats why I feel that our opinions are less ignorant and influenced by personal opinion and more by facts.
 
Youre right sean. I honestly cant tell you facts about nissan because i dont know and because the facts about the company dont concern me. I get the car because of how i feel in it and if i feel its an adequate machine. Its like chosing a sword in combat. Theres many. Katanas, sabers broadswords and longswords. All that matters is which you feel more comfortable slaying another person with. You can beleive i will do my research on nissan now though. Thanks for the education
 
Let me ask you something, AND I SERIOUSLY AM ASKING FOR INFO AND TO KNOW. BMW performance parts are more expensive am i right?

Depends where you go..... my radiator is a JEGS part for a chevy.

On average? Yes.

Companies see a market full of people who buy expensive cars and they adjust their prices according to that customer.

G35 parts are generally more expensive than parts for Maximas though also.

I do things on the cheap, and only drop real money for something that I can't do myself. Hence why I run a welded diff.
 
Are jdm parts expensive?


Please that argument has way to many variables. Please rephrase your question. Just because you can make a 500 hp rwhp sr20det for 4k does not mean you cant do that with a m50tu. In fact they make 500hp for less than that 1000hp and more in its other variants.

My argument is that most nissan owners dont know enough about either of the companies to have a valid argument.

I can say m50tu m20b25 s50 and they are all the same thing you guys. Clueless engine codes. Now with me and sean we have seen / worked on both and have seen the after-market / capabilities etc etc. Thats why I feel that our opinions are less ignorant and influenced by personal opinion and more by facts.

I was looking at the s50 for my 325i but ive never worked on one. I know what it is but cant elaborate
 
Id be willing to say though that alot of the german aftermarket parts have way more time put into them testing etc etc than there japanese counterpart. Along with build quality.
 
I was looking at the s50 for my 325i but ive never worked on one. I know what it is but cant elaborate

@ least your honest. What people need to understand is that not knowing and being ignorant is a bad combination. There is a difference when you dont know and you judge on what you know unbiasedly.

Problem is the argument that you and s13 slide are pushing is a "personal argument" Which is very much bias.

While me and sean are talking about the #'s.

Regardless if its engine specs, suspension geometry, wheelbase, races won, etc etc. Its facts with numbers and proven documentation. Not just a feeling or a group of youth following.
 
well then, put like that this whole argument was a waste of time and 8 pages of this forum hahahahahahahahaha I said my opinion was from personal exp. not numbers cuz i dont care about the numbers right now. Later we'll see
 
IM NOT trying to take ANYTHING away for what you guys have done, but it looks like I have hit a nerve the same nerve you guys hit with me when you gusy talk shit about nissan, its the same thing when we talk shit about bmw's, there cars thats it for the street to sell to people, we all liek cars and like motorsports so why not live with that, because we ALL known this is a never ending battle that NO ONE will win.


Dude......

sigh.... I didn't talk any shit about Nissan. I stated facts which are from MY EXPERIENCE

Stock KA on 93octane blows up at 14lbs boost GUARANTEED, usually earlier...

People swap Z32 tranmissions into 240's because they get tired of breaking the 71C gearbox.

I loaned a S13 halfshaft to a guy 2 Moroso events ago because his 300hp SR broke one. Harri didn't break halfshafts until 700hp. My 328 broke one at 350hp, and that's the lowest known HP to ever break one. It's prolly cause I run a tilton twin.

I'm still really not trying to make this a BMW vs Nissan thing. I own 3 Nissans and 3 BMW's right now.

Wanna talk about a J-company that makes quality stuff? TOYOTA

But go to the dealer looking for parts for a Toyota sportscar or a Lexus and you will beg for BMW prices...... this is coming from experience, not conjecture.
 
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