Uras of the East said:
here is the problem they use heim joints (metal) so that means you will be constantly adding grease to them, if you are not thinking on going 100% into drifting or auto X or any kind of motosport i wouldnt recomend them, I have them myself and they are really loud. If you want your to be more stiff, thicker sway bar, coilovers and subframe spacers should do it.
No. I've probably had heim joints in my car longer than anyone else here and I have never once had to grease them and they make no noise. The problem is people buy cheap stuff with grease fittings b/c they want to save a buck. Which parts do you have? SPL parts and other high quality aftermarket suspension links don't need a grease fitting b/c the bearing is teflon treated.
Nunook said:
1) tension rods give u front caster adjustment
2) rear Camber arms give u -> tada rear camber adjustment
3) rear TOE arms give u -> duh rear toe adjustment, lol
4) rear traction rods give u more traction cause ur wheels dont more back and forth when tryin to gain grip. also they adjust rear caster, but i dont think alignment racks can read that.
this was really ridiculous
Wrong on number 4. Rear 'traction rods' will completely alter the geometry of your suspension (intended to fine tune bumpsteer). It's not something any alignment rack can measure. You go out, do a lap, pit in, make a settings change, do another lap, see how it feels, adjust as needed and repeate. It's a racing part. If you plan on just 'setting it and forgetting it' but still really want to eliminate those rubber bushings, press some spherical bearings into stock traction rods (or send them out to have them done).
banger9000 said:
just get the adjustable camber bolts for the front because rear camber in the 240 is adjustable, take the car to get alingned and the car should be fine after that.
if you already have all those parts they should have a list of specifications so you can give it to whoever is doing the alingnment because the specs that are on the machine are oem and if u put all those parts on your car the alingnment rack wont know what to do. if you dont have all those parts and u want to fix the problem get some high performace sway bars and tower bars that will prevent body roll because ur suspencion is in a box per say. that puts less stress on your allingment components stoping them to go hell as soon as you make that first drift run after getting ur car alingned.
No, a swaybar more or less acts as a helper spring. It does nothing for the stiffness of the chassis. When one side of the suspension compresses in cornering, the sway bar increases the 'spring rate' of the side receiving the most load. You are correct in saying that a car is more or less a box and yes, strut tower bars will stiffen up that box. Don't waste your money on the expensive stuff though...just get some cheap ebay strut bars, they do the same thing.
GreazyMule said:
first off, it would be pointless to tell you the capabilities of these various arms since you are obviously not intelligent enough to figure things out on your own. if you can't decipher the hidden meaning behind words like "toe arm" what is to say you can figure out if you need said arm?
I agree but disagree at the same time. I've seen the poster say on numerous occasions that he doesn't really care about drifting that much. If that's the case and this is just a hobby, stay away from race parts! If he's getting more serious though, at least he's asking questions to learn.
GreazyMule said:
Your car is not low enough to need the rear camber arms, you should still be able to get alignment within factory spec. even if you are running too much rear camber the effects won't be noticable either on your drifting or daily driving. you are not at the level to #1 need to adjust rear camber and #2 to even notice the difference. obiously tire wear is a concern but this is a drifting forum so don't whine about that ****
Camber doesn't affect tire wear much at all in daily driving. Toe is the real killer. I run -2.75 (f) and -2 (r) with 0 toe and have almost perfect tire wear.
GreazyMule said:
In my personal opinion, really the only one that matters, there are other areas where your car is lacking that should be dealt with prior to these arms being installed. here is a list of things, in order that will make your car more competetive and fun:
1. Suspension ( real suspension...i mean... who are you kidding with that s-tech crap?)
2. LSD
3. T/C Rods
4. Subframe Spacers
5. Tie rod w/Ends (spherical heim joint....don't be a fag!)
6. RUCA's
7. Toe rod
8. Replace other bushings like FLCA, Traction rod, etc
Agreed 100%.