The Homestead/FARA & The Drifitng Issue in South Florida

Agreed as much as Homestead is a bad ass track to drive on(from what I can see) they aren't very drifter friendly.

If we had a demo of about 15-20 of the best drifters FL has to offer with serious tandems and crazy shit, Homestead will be all over it. I think if we show them how we can get competitive, they will shit their pants. We need to show close tandems with the lead driver trying to hold the following driver off, and the following driver is trying to get his nose in. Make it a real fight for victory. A little rubbing wont kill anyone. Spectators love that. It's exciting. Can't be reckless either, but show that we have a competive fire in us.
 
This is where OUR professionalism needs to increase.

Exactly, we need someone that can be mature about being an announcer and take things seriously. No offensive language, yelling FIST PUMP or FAIL ENTRY!! while drivers are out on the course.
 
Dangle I know you remember this because we were there and its the perfect example for the announcer type thing. OSW fdc vaughn gitten was there and all the announcers were doing stupid immature shit like playing super mario sounds and also rick rolling everyone and saying fail. I'm sorry but vaughn gitten probably thought we were all a bunch of idiots and noobs. That's the perfect example of what not to do especially when the is a pro drifter standing right next to you and actually showed enough interest to come out and see what FL has to offer
 
JR came out to OSW back in 2006 as well, it was my first event haha. Sound effects and having fun are ok I think, makes it more enjoyable for the casual spectator, but internet lingo (Fail/epic fail type stuff) shouldnt be on the mic.

need more info on who is driving, what they are driving, and some feedback on how they are handling the course as they are driving. its a very hard thing to be quick and informative as an announcer, but it makes a huge difference in how the crowd responds. he gets them pumped up.
 
Put down a deposit for the Homestead demos pay a fee if you show up you get your money back if not save for cash prize in the future just thought it might help the drivers have more reason to show and a quick simple mod to get things moving in the right direction.
 
like everyone has said its all about money. many people cant keep things together long enough for it to have a lasting effect. Ter-Tech had the right idea with FDC. but execution was the factor that lead to the demise of the series. if something along those lines can be re-established and successfully maintained there is a big chance that a name can be made for florida. we have good consistent drivers that have plenty of potential and can thrive in this sport. but when estie cant keep his car together, the aero k boys that have ryan holding down the fort while the rest do their best to get ready and many other drivers that just can't afford to make it to events. there has to be more incentive for the current drivers to want to kill themselves for these events and for the smaller guys to want to get to that level. it may be a long shot in the dark, but pay outs and prizes can go a very long way in keeping the sport growing. the practices and seat time is great we all appreciate it and use it to the best of out ability but at the end of the day it is still money coming out our pockets. we need something coming back to us in order for this to work successfully. between you and drift sessions, you are the organizers that we have. i think once again give a series a chance. draw up a proposal, sit down and have a meeting with track and venue owners/managers and give them a presentation, one that benefits us the drivers and them the venue. FDC and Drift Sessions have easily proven that people will come to see exciting driving. sad enough to say, no one wants to watch practices, they are not entertaining. make events that are big and will bring the crowd, you know we all do our part to advertise. NASCAR, F1, WRC DTM, WTCC, Super GT, even larger Drifting Establishments all work because they make the events known. everywhere you turn theres a flyer, commercial, radio spot, web blog, website, even viral advertising. they MAKE you want to come to the events, they make it sound like the best thing to ever grace this earth. theres reason why some of us DVR/TiVo all these races, or travel to see them, they make you want to see it. i know we are not at the level of these racing establishments, but putting forth the effort has no limitations. thats my .02 cents. its a great sport, that you are right, many of us will turn ourselves inside out to participate in and maintain. but we need the support and exposure.

I agree with this post

before ya can think about a comp. ya need to get more places to practice and get alot ,alot of practice harri from ter-tech try the comp. stuff with bad results and i can count with one hand how many people are actualy good to comp. everybody else just dont got it.

There several "Practice areas all over Florida. For us in the south Florida area we have countyline. Homestead is a practice day for the pro-am drivers who need a good layout to practice and even then Homestead is not enough for them to display there total skill. We need to make something big happen in order for other spots to consider us a money pit.

Again it goes back to the money but is the only way out. Show them that we are a big group of guys looking to make this sport a one for the ages and make it exciting to watch for the spectator to want to get involved in it.

your absolutely wrong, ALL we have is places to practice. there are a good amount of drivers that are good to compete. Juan, estie, shant, raffi, ryan, fink, bert, jerry, jerry, sean forrester, sean mcqueen, anthony basileo, randy, red, kyle lauratiano, bill fisher, j-lowe, dan chilton, the other vert rx7, Pat and tom from hot karl, jackson thats 22 drivers right there that are all COMP ready and im sure theres some i missed. and then theres guys like carlos, miguel, chris kastner, and a whole mess of other ones that have little things to work out but with a small push will be ready to go. dont jump to conclusions, my friend. florida has A LOT of talent. you must have a huge hand to be able to count all of those. the talent is here we just need to showcase it and award them. if given the opportunity i would personally go and give a presentation with moe and tim to any track coordinator/owner, to show them that if they provide the track we will bring the spectators. and Spectators = Money/ Money = Happy Track Owners and Drivers, and that all equals a thriving sport


Emil there are more of 22 drivers out there that I know.. A few names missed were Erik Mahel, Jason Joivani, Marc Neron, Sean Love and Miles Flik.. just to name a few others
 
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I agree with this post



There several "Practice areas all over Florida. For us in the south Florida area we have countyline. Homestead is a practice day for the pro-am drivers who need a good layout to practice and even then Homestead is not enough for them to display there total skill. We need to make something big happen in order for other spots to consider us a money pit.

Again it goes back to the money but is the only way out. Show them that we are a big group of guys looking to make this sport a one for the ages and make it exciting to watch for the spectator to want to get involved in it.




Emil there are more of 22 drivers out there that I know.. A few names missed were Erik Mahel, Jason Joivani, Marc Neron, Sean Love and Miles Flik.. just to name a few others
you forgot Abraham Bustamante , well if you let him drive off course :laugh:
 
^ FDC was executed just fine IMO. it was the lack of drivers that killed it.

I don't agree that there needs to be 'something in it for the drivers' at a practice level event. Practice is just that practice. You are paying them for the safe venue, ems on standby, and no fear of cops. That IS your kickback. No offense but its REALLY insulting that those of us that have put in years and years of time working on the driving, venues, and the scene, have 'fresh drivers' come in and expect to get paid to drive. There is no autox, or road racing practices were a venue lets them in free LET ALONE pays them to come drive. Our generation is getting hit by bad economy but doesn't mean the venue owes anything to you.

payouts/prizes are good idea IF the drivers understand that means several things:
#1 drivers have to pay EXTRA entry.... its a GAMBLE to win. You can't goto a Casino with $1 and seriously want to walk out with $100. **HELL some of us PAID $350 ENTRY FEE (plus few hundred in fuel) to drive Road Atlanta for last years ProAm.... you might know that I got 2nd.... my prize? a $8 bottle of champagne and a plastic trophy.

#2 if you want to keep entry down and prizes still available, we have to get sponsors/attract them with a better event image. no one is going to donate a $500 prize for an event that looks like its a bunch of kids driving silly in a parking lot. This doesn't mean that we cant make a parking lot event.... just make it respectable and somewhere that a company would like to be promoting/advertising at.

#3 if its going to be a comp it really NEEDS to be tandem to get crowd into it and really... tandem teaches drivers and improves skills. We lack so much in tandem practice that its a BIG reason we have trouble getting better. You will never know how slow/fast you are and how good your lines are without real tandem experience. this means that people in FL need to step up and get some cages.... bolt in/weld in whatever. step up.


it still boils down to image. we need to clean it up and get it respectable if you want things to come back to the drivers. look at the Just Drift series in Cali. high(er) entry fee, respectable tracks and events, tandem and they have real decent series sponsors. its not that hard in theory, but execution takes a LOT of work.
 
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ok I'ma come in since I personally have travelled more than maybe any other FL driver on my own dime I think. Suck it up about the money issue guys. There are trade offs. Stop buying dildo shift knobs and fucking nardi steering wheels. Anyone take a look inside my car lately? STOCK wheel, STOCK shifter, STOCK dash, NO gauges (stocks broke when building car), NOTHING except required seat and harness. This isnt because its not somethings I want, its because I'd rather use that $60 to get to or into an event rather than have the coolest steering wheel.

Make sacrifices. You all talk a lot about this and that money and don't look for ways to take short cuts. Talk to shops, lots of them, find a guy that will help you on mount costs. find a used tire place that will help you on costs for that, tell them you are constantly buying used tires. Hell, even paint... you can spray paint a whole car if you take your time, and use enough coats. it can loook decent for 20$.

if you want to drive more you can find a way. if you cant find a way, you just dont want it bad enough or your situation is really bad. in the second case start working on how to better things. none of us who are looked up to got here by spending $20. Anyone that was mentioned in previous posts has spent a MINIMUM of $10,000 I guarantee. Car/travel/tires/hotels/entrys etc... Some of us that have been going longer and have trucks/trailers and all that shit are into it for EASY 25K+ so don't wine about your money please, its insulting to hear about how you cant afford a drift event because you need gas money to get home. I know it happens, but that shouldnt be a reason IN THIS THREAD.

To get FL drifting back into the RIGHT focus we need a few things.
#1 The tracks/organizers need to work together to stop having 3 events the same weekend. Share the drifting community around the state and give areas a break in between. Its no wonder we see 30 people at events when next weekend there is a totally different 30, and a 2nd track has another 30. If we stopped running 4 events a month, and consolidated them into 2 max in the STATE, we would see many more attend and full driver list = happy track owners.

#2 make crowds happy. TANDEM makes crowds skeet, we need more tandem. Means you guys need to sacrifice and get bolt in cages! from event side it helps if you allow rides-a-longs. raffle ride-a-longs to the crowd with 'demo' drivers. or sell them straight up? Make sure the drivers providing the opportunity get a cut of the money, because without them, crowd gets no rides and they dont get that 'extra draw in'.

#3 PRE-REGISTER ONLY. if you want to drive, pay up before game day. this allows for people to actually commit and not puss out day of. and helps the venue see potential disaster before its too late. if you dont pre-reg, you dont drive. you show up past the meeting, you dont drive. Learn to not be a damn high schooler if you want to be treated like a 'driver'. Tracks are professional environments that have spent lots of money to build the facilities. This isnt a skate park yo, take time out of your busy morning to actually show up on time. its a matter of RESPECT to the event and other drivers. events need to have a drivers meeting, a real one. TIGHTEN up our amatuers professionalism. TELL them how the day will run, what the course is, what is NOT ALLOWED, and what they need to do to be ready. Make it short but informative.

#4 stop fkking waiting until the DAY OF or BEFORE an event to FIX YOUR CARS! I don't know why drifters are so damn LAZY. Get tires a week before, get your new stud in the damn hub (it takes 30 min?) Stop showing up to an event and having to open a damn car garage just to make it to the track and then missing runs/wanting to jump in other run groups. Simple shit like EMPTY YOUR BACKSEAT. I swear we are the most pathetic group of drivers. No other state have I ever seen people leave a helmet/jack/mcDonalds flying around the car.

#5 stop worrying about what you can't do. too many people are trying to 'skip' the learning steps and just jump into high speed or high HP cars just to get attention and they end up not progressing or never getting build done. start simple and get good, then upgrade. You have PLENTY of time to get recognized when its your turn, don't trying to worry about right now, worry about building a REAL foundation.

so in summary....
1/stop wasting money on shit that you dont have to have, then complain about no money.
2/make crowds happy from an event organizer pov. and stop conflicting the schedule so much.
3/tighten up the respect and professionalism in FL.
4/fix you DAMN CAR before the event gets here.
5/stop trying to be mr.2cool4skool

Don't get me wrong, FL has a lot of positives, but as a whole, the community is the ones responsible for the scene. If I was an organizer and saw the lack of professionalism at events, I'd never have another drift event. You can show up on time, with a working car, with the ability to listen to rules AND HAVE FUN... trust me.

Moe- as for your direct question... competition would work but you need more time I think to really do a competition. If you are just doing a mini-comp then its ok but with real comp style... practice/qual/tandem... its a LOT of time needed. at the demos do you guys announce anything to interest the crowd? introduce drivers BEFORE the demo/ allow them to do burnouts/donuts/windmills to get the crowd pumped? word of mouth is the cheapest and easiest advertising, just gotta get people telling their friends. See if you can work it to give spectators rides/raffle them/sell them, insurance issues i know, but see about it with proper gear- maybe fara has a firesuit they can 'lend' for use and a helmet? Just a thought.


GL ya'll, we need to fix this up.

this right here shoulda locked this thread and got people motivated!
 
box what i meant by kickback to the drivers was not intended for the practice events. its for the bigger events. practice events are just that, practice events. and i agree with everything else you said, you know what would be a great idea. have a meeting. just a simple meeting, have guys like jason, juan, estie, j-lowe, dan chilton stand up and talk to the rest of us. it may seem like a childish but you would surprised how a serious talk about the sport and getting on the ball can get people motivated. hell ill help get it organized. a meeting like that will A)give everyone a serious insight as to what REALLY goes into this sport, because alot of people do not know. and B) based on how many people show up, will show how many people are really serious about this sport. just a idea, but i think it could work
 
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ok I'ma come in since I personally have travelled more than maybe any other FL driver on my own dime I think. Suck it up about the money issue guys. There are trade offs. Stop buying dildo shift knobs and fucking nardi steering wheels. Anyone take a look inside my car lately? STOCK wheel, STOCK shifter, STOCK dash, NO gauges (stocks broke when building car), NOTHING except required seat and harness. This isnt because its not somethings I want, its because I'd rather use that $60 to get to or into an event rather than have the coolest steering wheel.

Make sacrifices. You all talk a lot about this and that money and don't look for ways to take short cuts. Talk to shops, lots of them, find a guy that will help you on mount costs. find a used tire place that will help you on costs for that, tell them you are constantly buying used tires. Hell, even paint... you can spray paint a whole car if you take your time, and use enough coats. it can loook decent for 20$.

if you want to drive more you can find a way. if you cant find a way, you just dont want it bad enough or your situation is really bad. in the second case start working on how to better things. none of us who are looked up to got here by spending $20. Anyone that was mentioned in previous posts has spent a MINIMUM of $10,000 I guarantee. Car/travel/tires/hotels/entrys etc... Some of us that have been going longer and have trucks/trailers and all that shit are into it for EASY 25K+ so don't wine about your money please, its insulting to hear about how you cant afford a drift event because you need gas money to get home. I know it happens, but that shouldnt be a reason IN THIS THREAD.

To get FL drifting back into the RIGHT focus we need a few things.
#1 The tracks/organizers need to work together to stop having 3 events the same weekend. Share the drifting community around the state and give areas a break in between. Its no wonder we see 30 people at events when next weekend there is a totally different 30, and a 2nd track has another 30. If we stopped running 4 events a month, and consolidated them into 2 max in the STATE, we would see many more attend and full driver list = happy track owners.

#2 make crowds happy. TANDEM makes crowds skeet, we need more tandem. Means you guys need to sacrifice and get bolt in cages! from event side it helps if you allow rides-a-longs. raffle ride-a-longs to the crowd with 'demo' drivers. or sell them straight up? Make sure the drivers providing the opportunity get a cut of the money, because without them, crowd gets no rides and they dont get that 'extra draw in'.

#3 PRE-REGISTER ONLY. if you want to drive, pay up before game day. this allows for people to actually commit and not puss out day of. and helps the venue see potential disaster before its too late. if you dont pre-reg, you dont drive. you show up past the meeting, you dont drive. Learn to not be a damn high schooler if you want to be treated like a 'driver'. Tracks are professional environments that have spent lots of money to build the facilities. This isnt a skate park yo, take time out of your busy morning to actually show up on time. its a matter of RESPECT to the event and other drivers. events need to have a drivers meeting, a real one. TIGHTEN up our amatuers professionalism. TELL them how the day will run, what the course is, what is NOT ALLOWED, and what they need to do to be ready. Make it short but informative.

#4 stop fkking waiting until the DAY OF or BEFORE an event to FIX YOUR CARS! I don't know why drifters are so damn LAZY. Get tires a week before, get your new stud in the damn hub (it takes 30 min?) Stop showing up to an event and having to open a damn car garage just to make it to the track and then missing runs/wanting to jump in other run groups. Simple shit like EMPTY YOUR BACKSEAT. I swear we are the most pathetic group of drivers. No other state have I ever seen people leave a helmet/jack/mcDonalds flying around the car.

#5 stop worrying about what you can't do. too many people are trying to 'skip' the learning steps and just jump into high speed or high HP cars just to get attention and they end up not progressing or never getting build done. start simple and get good, then upgrade. You have PLENTY of time to get recognized when its your turn, don't trying to worry about right now, worry about building a REAL foundation.

so in summary....
1/stop wasting money on shit that you dont have to have, then complain about no money.
2/make crowds happy from an event organizer pov. and stop conflicting the schedule so much.
3/tighten up the respect and professionalism in FL.
4/fix you DAMN CAR before the event gets here.
5/stop trying to be mr.2cool4skool

Don't get me wrong, FL has a lot of positives, but as a whole, the community is the ones responsible for the scene. If I was an organizer and saw the lack of professionalism at events, I'd never have another drift event. You can show up on time, with a working car, with the ability to listen to rules AND HAVE FUN... trust me.

Moe- as for your direct question... competition would work but you need more time I think to really do a competition. If you are just doing a mini-comp then its ok but with real comp style... practice/qual/tandem... its a LOT of time needed. at the demos do you guys announce anything to interest the crowd? introduce drivers BEFORE the demo/ allow them to do burnouts/donuts/windmills to get the crowd pumped? word of mouth is the cheapest and easiest advertising, just gotta get people telling their friends. See if you can work it to give spectators rides/raffle them/sell them, insurance issues i know, but see about it with proper gear- maybe fara has a firesuit they can 'lend' for use and a helmet? Just a thought.


GL ya'll, we need to fix this up.

If I could sig this, I totally would.. +100000
 
box what i meant by kickback to the drivers was not intended for the practice events. its for the bigger events. practice events are just that, practice events.

ok, i was hoping thats what you meant. and when i say i hate how new drivers want stuff (like they are owed) its not directly to that comment either. I've seen or heard drivers comment on how this or that isnt fair and how come whaaa whaa. i hope it didnt sound like i was 'attacking' you about that.

but i do agree that prizes, at proper events, are a big key to have good driver turnout. we just need more caged+running cars so we can get tandem comps. thats what will help the scene (and us as drivers) improve.
 
Honestly, The issue with FARA and drifting here is money. I guarantee you that if you could bring in a big crowd with a midget riding a pony, Homestead would be all over it. They don't care about drifting because to THEM it's just a fad. But to US this is a culture. They see zipties holding together a car and it's a disrespect to the guys that put thousands into aero parts, but to US is a well earned battle scar. We can't change their mind about things like that, but we can appeal to what they care about, MONEY. If the FARA demo brought them good money, then they would want to do it more often, or they might even consider an actual competition and big events. But why would the drivers, sponsors and vendors be motivated when a crowd is not there. Show support to the drivers, show support to the organizers, and same way, drivers show respect to the fans and the events.
 
i got an idea everybody stop bitching stuff a tampax in your ass and get to an event.
club racing is a very very expensive hobby in every form from karting to scca .your probrably better off with a drug addiction than a car addiction ,we all know this we all wanna do this! the only way these events will continue to grow is if you attend events weather its to drive or facinate.
im by far not rich but i do events every other week .mostly club racing i dont drift fara because i havent been invited ive asked to drift my car meets and exceeds all the requirements but for some reason it doesnt happen.

personally i love drifting but have stepped back from the scene because frankly i dont feel the unity in any sort that i feel attending a track day when im sitting in the stands at drift events all i hear is people hating because some underpowered noobie couldnt connect.

its practice hater shut the fuck up! your sittin in the stands hes blowing his mc donalds paycheck on his passion show a little respect!

ehhh this whole post blows my point is if your a driver shut up and drive
if you just love to watch get out there and watch show some support everybody is broke
we know .if you cant afford to drift dont stop crying about it!
and for those on a pedistal open your mind a little bit maybe thant person isnt killing it and consistent because he doesnt wanna destroy his car to impress the haters in the grandstand maybe hes just out having fun .give a noob a chance stop hating.
perfect example ive never stood at an event that wasnt a competition i get in my fun and save the car for another day @ $50 bucks a drift event you should be kissing balls that you got 5-10 runs because at a big event your spending a minimum of 500.00 for 1 event and that doesnt include the logistics include that and i bet your at 1000.00
 
i got an idea everybody stop bitching stuff a tampax in your ass and get to an event.
club racing is a very very expensive hobby in every form from karting to scca .your probrably better off with a drug addiction than a car addiction ,we all know this we all wanna do this! the only way these events will continue to grow is if you attend events weather its to drive or facinate.
im by far not rich but i do events every other week .mostly club racing i dont drift fara because i havent been invited ive asked to drift my car meets and exceeds all the requirements but for some reason it doesnt happen.

personally i love drifting but have stepped back from the scene because frankly i dont feel the unity in any sort that i feel attending a track day when im sitting in the stands at drift events all i hear is people hating because some underpowered noobie couldnt connect.

its practice hater shut the fuck up! your sittin in the stands hes blowing his mc donalds paycheck on his passion show a little respect!

ehhh this whole post blows my point is if your a driver shut up and drive
if you just love to watch get out there and watch show some support everybody is broke
we know .if you cant afford to drift dont stop crying about it!
and for those on a pedistal open your mind a little bit maybe thant person isnt killing it and consistent because he doesnt wanna destroy his car to impress the haters in the grandstand maybe hes just out having fun .give a noob a chance stop hating.
perfect example ive never stood at an event that wasnt a competition i get in my fun and save the car for another day @ $50 bucks a drift event you should be kissing balls that you got 5-10 runs because at a big event your spending a minimum of 500.00 for 1 event and that doesnt include the logistics include that and i bet your at 1000.00

+1 on the hate!!! I can understand people are going to hate regardless, but people who frequent this site should at least have enough in them to respectfully criticize each other. Personally I don't attend stuff unless I drive or one of my friends drive, because I hate hearing bitches chew out people from the stands.....This should be a positive thing for the most part, if you think you can upstage someone go do it(to hecklers)...Otherwise STFU!!!
 
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