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ter-tech said:
Walking the course takes 30 minutes about the same as the drive thrus took
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I really disagree which is what I tried to tell you. Maybe if the leader car was ready and staged at the start of each run group this would be the case, but that's not how things went. The entire ordeal, from when one run group stopped driving to when the other run group started took lots of time - the only group I remember starting quickly was B. The drive through's were very effective at Hialeah where there were very few drivers but with over 50 drivers and 5 different run groups, it just doesn't work. The course walkthrough could have taken place while we were waiting for the EMT or you can continue the "parade" lap idea but maybe give a group direction at the start of the day (or at the starting grid) instead of on the track. Sorry you & Sean seem to think everything I say has negative connotation - I tried to keep my first post completely impartial but its frustrating to be completely blown off when I'm just trying to help.
 
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mikespeed95 said:
i want a 6th gear entry, with a jump, decreasing radius corner, to increasing radius, into a 2 mile long 10 lane wide straight, into a 6th gear banked corner, into off camber corners, with 80 cars on track at once.
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Mike thats Demolition Derby
 
Tonymac said:
I really disagree which is what I tried to tell you. Maybe if the leader car was ready and staged at the start of each run group this would be the case, but that's not how things went. The entire ordeal, from when one run group stopped driving to when the other run group started took lots of time - the only group I remember starting quickly was B. The drive through's were very effective at Hialeah where there were very few drivers but with over 50 drivers and 5 different run groups, it just doesn't work. The course walkthrough could have taken place while we were waiting for the EMT or you can continue the "parade" lap idea but maybe give a group direction at the start of the day (or at the starting grid) instead of on the track. Sorry you & Sean seem to think everything I say has negative connotation - I tried to keep my first post completely impartial but its frustrating to be completely blown off when I'm just trying to help.
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Read your own posts. You are calling people idiots and getting personal and its you who takes this shit too seriously, and look at the video it did not take 1.5 hours. period. end of that conversation.
Keep the ideas coming if there is demand for walk trhu rather than drive thru thats what we will do as I said earlier.
 
Hmm, well Sean started things with me by saying stupid shit to me like "wtf are you on" and "marry mike peters." Read his posts, please. I was totally neutral until his childish responses. If he wants to make comments like that, he should expect responses of that nature. Yeah, I called him an idiot. Regardless, that has absolutely nothing to do with us or my initial post in the last thread. Let's hash this out b/c this is totally gay.

So you're obviously taking offense to my comments. First off, you're right, they all didn't take 20 minutes, I'll admit that. BUT I know at least 1 did and another close to it. Not the 5 minutes you're claiming. And I have to reiterate, I'm talking total time from one run group ending to another starting. And I don't think a walkthrough's a good idea. If you read what I wrote, I'm fine with your idea but instead of getting out of the car on the track, give the rules at teh start of the day or the start of the grid and have your car (or any car) ready near the starting grid so anybody can give a drive through and nobody's running around looking for anybody.
 
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How about a course done from start to finish & finish to start later in the day. That way, drivers learn a different course & spectors see a different angle as well as the track getting its fair share of abuse. My .02 cents.
BTW also keep those events going. :cool:

Also, how about a fun run for spectors that want to try it & see if there car is ready or if they feel unconfident with there skill.
 
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i say leave it the same, after seeing some of the videos i noticed that every driver average from 1-2 spin outs. I say leave it the same like that the level of driving gets better and when you see that at least 50% of the drivers are being consistant enough. Thats when you change the course to acomodate a bit more speed and different lines. my .02.
 
Ricky Cash said:
this may sound a bit corny or ricer but it should be like tha japs do it, up a down a slope. you know since we have no mountainous terrain in florida then illegal parking garage or something, cuz i like the competition type feel where two people try to make it to the finish line.
kinda like road racing but with tighter apex's get it. whatever, (i got the idea from the initial d movie and fnf3 td)
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Dude no insults, but we are talking about a seriuos topic. We want to keep on having events in this place and we want the course to appeal to all the drivers, and yet you post the dumbest things i have ever seen a f***ing forum.
 
DUDOCIUS said:
i say leave it the same, after seeing some of the videos i noticed that every driver average from 1-2 spin outs. I say leave it the same like that the level of driving gets better and when you see that at least 50% of the drivers are being consistant enough. Thats when you change the course to acomodate a bit more speed and different lines. my .02.
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I agree... to add more to that, I watched my videos and I realized my line was way off in many runs.

And since the keyword to me lately is "consistency" I'd like to practice on that layout, or something as technical again. If it's not for a fast 3rd gear entry, I'd just rather have everything else technical to practice my driving lines.

Another important suggestion is to better the implementation of the run groups. The whole point of a Group A (or advanced w/e) is to make better use of the time given to us.

Giving all groups 5 runs doesnt help the advanced, because it just means we're in and out in 20 minutes.... while all other groups spin out 50 times and causing a huge time delay.

I say mark groups by time... 1/2 hour each group. That way it keeps people on their toes.... they wont push their limits so much.... and when they do spin they'll just go back on course instead of donuts, or going back a bit to re-do the turn... or something of that matter.

I heard a punishment system from DGTrials to penalize those who eat shit out there.... maybe something like that could be devised to help track time for everyone.

- Erick
 
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wanna make people better drivers?
tell them to stop worrying about a hand out the window, or looking at the cameras and pay attention to what is going on. yes they may not spin out but i bet they are offline or low angle cuz they want the 'i can stick my hand out a window' picture. no offense to those who do it, just a waste imo.

ask for help, im not the best but im not too bad, I can help people with entry, line, and all that jazz, as well as many others can. don't be stubborn and 'not ask for help'. 95% of the drivers will be thrilled to help just because makes you feel important haha. no one is gonna laugh at you and be like, no way dude, you suck.

lastly, we should get a white board with a drawing of the course on it (roughly drawn) and actually DRAW the correct line. I recently learned a lot about line and how I was running offline. Just because you hit the clipping points does not mean you are on line, you might be, but chances are you are off.

Again, im not saying im the shit, but I do have some decent experience and just trying to help others cut out the leg work i did in learning. Bring you the helpful tips so you can start with a good guide.

tire pressures are the low power/low setup drifters BEST FRIEND next to tire size itself. Dont be sucked into this BS with oh ive got xxx HP i HAVE to run 235s or something. run what you can slide reliably, get the handling down... then u increase speed and tire size. dont start big and push around the track. its better to spin out then to push and plow the turns.

I will always be happy to help/ride along with you, or discuss shit on AIM.

w0rd to your mother
 
^ Yeah I was riding with some of the more n00bish drivers trying to help them out a bit. and Gclif did get noticably better with my advice
 
boxmod said:
wanna make people better drivers?
tell them to stop worrying about a hand out the window, or looking at the cameras and pay attention to what is going on. yes they may not spin out but i bet they are offline or low angle cuz they want the 'i can stick my hand out a window' picture. no offense to those who do it, just a waste imo.

ask for help, im not the best but im not too bad, I can help people with entry, line, and all that jazz, as well as many others can. don't be stubborn and 'not ask for help'. 95% of the drivers will be thrilled to help just because makes you feel important haha. no one is gonna laugh at you and be like, no way dude, you suck.

lastly, we should get a white board with a drawing of the course on it (roughly drawn) and actually DRAW the correct line. I recently learned a lot about line and how I was running offline. Just because you hit the clipping points does not mean you are on line, you might be, but chances are you are off.

Again, im not saying im the shit, but I do have some decent experience and just trying to help others cut out the leg work i did in learning. Bring you the helpful tips so you can start with a good guide.

tire pressures are the low power/low setup drifters BEST FRIEND next to tire size itself. Dont be sucked into this BS with oh ive got xxx HP i HAVE to run 235s or something. run what you can slide reliably, get the handling down... then u increase speed and tire size. dont start big and push around the track. its better to spin out then to push and plow the turns.

I will always be happy to help/ride along with you, or discuss shit on AIM.

w0rd to your mother
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I have to say that's very well put. I think teaching the drivers the line is very important, with of course clipping points clearly marked(a bigger cone, a small flag in the cone, etc). Seeing the proper line and clipping points on a chalkboard and then seeing some of the more advanced drivers actually doing it would help a lot, I think atleast. Some initiation points might be different if you only have like 90whp :D . I also liked the idea of the volenteers with radios so there is better communication.

It's true what Boxmod said about tire psi on low powered cars(I would know I think Alfredo and myself had the lowest hp cars there :) ). I would also like to add that suspension tuning is very, very important also. Boxmod pretty much said all the important stuff. If I can think of anything more, I'll post it up.
 
Blake Fuller himself went for a ride and gave me some tips. Probably one of the best parts of the whole event was being able to make use of his tips.
 
I vote for a 3strikes rule, you spin 3 times on the course, youre in the penalty box. If you spin twice, just drive off the course. Thats a lot better than losing runs.

And it's not harsh either, if you spin 3 times, youre obviously overdriving yourself and not learning anything...
 
There are alot of noobs at these local events, that want to learn the art of our sport. This is the best way for them to practice in a safe and legal environment, and now everyone wants to kick them off the course, not everyone is a pro, and if i recall alot of people were spinout on the course, so i say dont make em sit out just because they spin. lets not be like "street Rracers" and frown apon the weak, help and gide them remember when u were a noob, you would be pretty pissed if some one told you to get off the couse just because u spun out. Also the paid the same amount of money u did.
 
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lastly, we should get a white board with a drawing of the course on it (roughly drawn) and actually DRAW the correct line. I recently learned a lot about line and how I was running offline. Just because you hit the clipping points does not mean you are on line, you might be, but chances are you are off.
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i see in drift videos, on certain courses they have chalk or something on the course showing the lines. i thought that would be a huuuugggeee help for people who havent been around track driving for a long time. (lot of drifters are young. they cant possibly have THAT much experience. Me for example.)

i think having someting visible to aim for rather than a 'gully of cones' could help step up alot of peoples driving, as far as hitting lines goes. and might keep some from getting lost or on the wrong sides of the cones.

drftns14 said:
There are alot of noobs at these local events, that want to learn the art of our sport. This is the best way for them to practice in a safe and legal environment, and now everyone wants to kick them off the course, not everyone is a pro, and if i recall alot of people were spinout on the course, so i say dont make em sit out just because they spin. lets not be like "street Rracers" and frown apon the weak, help and gide them remember when u were a noob, you would be pretty pissed if some one told you to get off the couse just because u spun out. Also the paid the same amount of money u did.
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i see your point, but i have to agree with Sean as far as if it is apparent that they are driving out of their limits. and wasting other peoplesseat time/money. but maybe a short 'timeout' or something, and next run have someone with more experience ride along with them to help them out.
 
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rwdrift said:
I heard a punishment system from DGTrials to penalize those who eat shit out there.... maybe something like that could be devised to help track time for everyone.

- Erick
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haha yeah i know all about those timeouts at dg trails.
 
drftns14 said:
There are alot of noobs at these local events, that want to learn the art of our sport. This is the best way for them to practice in a safe and legal environment, and now everyone wants to kick them off the course, not everyone is a pro, and if i recall alot of people were spinout on the course, so i say dont make em sit out just because they spin. lets not be like "street Rracers" and frown apon the weak, help and gide them remember when u were a noob, you would be pretty pissed if some one told you to get off the couse just because u spun out. Also the paid the same amount of money u did.
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Notice I didnt say a single spinout would get a penalty, 3 strikes. If you spin twice in one run, hang it up and wait til the next run.

This is also why I am a fan of having an extra area for people to practice. A donut cone for starters. Then a slide circle. Then 2 circles and you learn how to do switchbacks.


Also it's really important that first timers go to some autocross events. It's a lot cheaper to learn the limits of GRIP and vehicle dynamics doing auto-x. Then come to a drift event and blow $80 and enjoy pushing things further instead of hating life the whole day. Most autocross events in Florida are $25-$40

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Guys BTW, you might laugh, but as far as racing line goes...... go sit down and play GT3. Go to license mode and get AT LEAST silver in EVERY license. You will learn proper racing line. But I do think it's a great suggestion to have a little pregame line discussion. Maybe also touch on racing line, weight transfer, management of grip, car setup, tire pressures, etc.
 
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