building ka-t

[Ka-Tony]

you guys are still at this.. and whats wrong with making your own parts.... how do you think all those companies started???? answer plzzz .. don't rain on his parade because he dosen't have enough money to buy parts so is in a way forced to fab some custom shit up... he can prolly slide that S12 with cut springs then you can with a fully built drift car!!!

No one said that there is anything wrong with making your own parts... I think fabricating your own suspension isnt a good idea. Since these companies do a lot of research (name brands) and studying of the car before they make the parts for it.Also, what i meant since u werent able to pick it up on your own. Was that Drifting is expensive. Events cost money, tires cost money, suspension + power cost money. there is no way that a 20 yr old cut spring is better then a brand new aftermarket spring. If he is having trouble buying a set of springs then how is he gonna cover all the other expenses?

Srsteve you never have anything of value nor information to say. Your always just agreeing with someone elses opinion. kinda like a sidekick. plz get a mind of your own and stop swinging on other peoples nuts... :0hsnap:

Platano, I understand what you mean but i completely dissagree. there are alot of 300 + stock internal ka's running around. Some for years because they know what there doing. Its not that expensive to build a Ka. Also, you dont have to go internals unless you want to make more then 400 hp. Ask anyone who knows about Ka's and builds them for a living. like... BYP, Premiere...

Its a matter of tunning/timing with the ka. :bigthumbu

 

[SrSteve]

well if thats what you think then I would like you to qutoe me where i'm agreeing with the others.. plain and simple I asked you a question that you were'nt able to answer... "Give me the 1000 reasons y a KA is better then an SR? " and you were'nt ablr to answer ... then you have the balls to tell someone that they you think theyre in the wrong motorsport because they can't afford something who the f*ck do you think you are..?

bottom line...ka is faster.....sr...more reliable....imho

till there both built then, depends on the tuner

Thats one thing that I agreed with but is he wrong? ^^^ (depends on the tuner part when they're both built)

Don't let it get to you. There will always be a large number of anti-SR, KA people for one main reason...KA(T)'s are more accessable and cheaper for your average consumer. You can buy a 240 and get more power out of a KA(T) and for less money than an SR (including the cost of the motor of course). Because of this, there's a huge crowd that choose not to see the negatives and only focus on the positives (of the KA) while at the same time, focusing only on the negatives and none of the positives of the other (more expensive) approach (SR). It's the same reason why Honda people will swear up and down that B16 is better than an LS1 b/c of it's "technological superior" to "stupid pushrods" meanwhile they're proven to be strong, powerful, and are winning races left and right in ALMS and other series. Just let it go and have some fun...these fights will never stop though.

And there's the second meaing if you can read I'm agreeing that there will always be a KA v.s SR type deal where which one is better... ^^^

So please tell me how i'm swinging on everyone else's nuts.. ???

 

[Piner]

No one said that there is anything wrong with making your own parts... I think fabricating your own suspension isnt a good idea. Since these companies do a lot of research (name brands) and studying of the car before they make the parts for it.Also, what i meant since u werent able to pick it up on your own. Was that Drifting is expensive. Events cost money, tires cost money, suspension + power cost money. there is no way that a 20 yr old cut spring is better then a brand new aftermarket spring. If he is having trouble buying a set of springs then how is he gonna cover all the other expenses?

I've driven in 5 Drift events and 4 Autocrosses all on my own dime, I spend my money on seat time not parts


And just because someone agrees with someone and respects that person doesn't equal "swinging on nuts"

 

[Tonymac]

Guys, don't waste your breath. This guy has done no events and has built zero cars...he just talks. Ignore him and your lives will be easier.

Under_Control, look up Hooke's law. Read it. Understand it. It's cool stuff! Once you do, you'll realize that there is absolutely nothing "wrong" with cutting springs. For years, race cars did it. They only stopped because it became easier to aquire a desired ride height and spring rate through a 3rd party. It wasn't always easy though.

 

[Ka-Tony]

well if thats what you think then I would like you to qutoe me where i'm agreeing with the others.. plain and simple I asked you a question that you were'nt able to answer... "Give me the 1000 reasons y a KA is better then an SR? " and you were'nt ablr to answer ... then you have the balls to tell someone that they you think theyre in the wrong motorsport because they can't afford something who the f*ck do you think you are..?

^^lol

I told you at the beginning of this convo to look it up. this has already been discussed on THIS forum. Is it so hard for you to use a search button?

Dori, you dont know me. you dont know how many cars ive built. BTW ive been to alot of events and have seen that the most you ever done is put your super hicas through a wall at hialeah speedway...good job :ugh:

You havent built any because, from the looks of it you had a shop do your swap. Gee, what a gear head...

Piner, that was my opinion. If you'd like continue to run the car with a 20 yr old sagged out spring.....enjoy. :bigthumbu

 

[SrSteve]

You keep on skipping the question... I don't want to look for something when I asked you... you said that there is a thousand reasons y a KA is better then an SR you said that... so i'm asking you to tell me those 1000 reasons??? get the fucking question or do I need to ask you again.. unless your telling me that you and I mean YOU have already posted your "1000" reasons on another thread.. not 1000 reasons put together from everyone else..Read the fucking question and understand what is being asked of you before you try to answer you dumb fuck... And Second you still haven't told me how i'm "swinging on everyone else's nut" so please do explain yourself and stop ignoing the fucking questions !! :bigthumbu

 

[PlatanoDrifter]

Under control agree with you 100% its all about tuning etc. i just dont see to manny peole with 300hp ka drifting them u know what im sayin its just everyone throw in a cheap setup and no tunning and the ka blows and they say its a piece of crap witch is not the point when i had my ka it was a stock ka stock fuel besides the walbro and fpr i had sr injectors but ran shitty without a s-afc (i was a noob at the time of this) and it ran strong as fuk until i made the mistake and let a stupid ass friend of mine drive it it just so happens the wastegate went bad and after i distinktly told him to take it easy leaving a parking lot he though he could drift out of it FLOORD IT IN 1st AND IT WAS WET OUT JUST FINISHED RAINING all he did was spin the tires red line the shit out of it and wheni looked at the boost gauge it was coming down and i caught it at 17 PSI!!!!! he bent a rod but it still ran har after that just backfired nasty after that it was all downhill till i sold it but if i knew then what i know now i would have been set I like the ka but after all i have expirienced i like the ca more and hopefully if things go as planned im gonna have a rb soon if not another ca

 

[Tonymac]

Dori, you dont know me. you dont know how many cars ive built. BTW ive been to alot of events and have seen that the most you ever done is put your super hicas through a wall at hialeah speedway...good job :ugh:

You're god damn right i did and I am PROUD of it. You know why? Because I try. I'd rather put 100 cars into the wall trying than be some dumb shit sideline shit talker. Put up or shut up fan boy. And if you knew 1 bit about me you'd know I had a much more pathetic (and more recent) accident.

You havent built any because, from the looks of it you had a shop do your swap. Gee, what a gear head...

Hahaha, if you knew anything about me or Ter-Tech you'd know that we (as in the drivers) do 99% of our own work lol...sure, others chip in but aside from welding, we all work. Besides, I never claimed to be a "gear head". My point is, until you've actually owned and driven a car that's more aftermarket than OEM, you have no idea what you're in for. FACT.

 

[Ka-Tony]

You're god damn right i did and I am PROUD of it. You know why? Because I try. I'd rather put 100 cars into the wall trying than be some dumb shit sideline shit talker. Put up or shut up fan boy. And if you knew 1 bit about me you'd know I had a much more pathetic (and more recent) accident.

^^ :boring: LOL @ u.... Arent you ter-tech's number 1 fan? fan boy...

Just because i havent Drifted an event doesnt mean im a sideliner. I drift my car in the streets. Reguardless i am planning on attending an event soon. Cya there... :bigthumbu

Hahaha, if you knew anything about me or Ter-Tech you'd know that we (as in the drivers) do 99% of our own work lol...sure, others chip in but aside from welding, we all work. Besides, I never claimed to be a "gear head". My point is, until you've actually owned and driven a car that's more aftermarket than OEM, you have no idea what you're in for. FACT.

^My car IS more aftermarket then oem...So i think i have quite an IDEA.

Guys, don't waste your breath.

So much for that uh...? :laugh:

Platano, I agree.... point taken. most kids disreguard tunning and give the Ka a bad name for itself when they pop.

"Hi im billy i just boosted my Ka. Im at 19 psi with stock fuel management and stock maf. weee.... why did my Ka pop?" :ugh:

 

[SrSteve]

ha this whole thread is pathetic... lol...

 

[PlatanoDrifter]

this whole forum is getting kinda pathetic all everyone seems to do is argue about stupid shit and some like starting shit for fun but end up getting offended and start takin shit to another level its getting anoying!!!

 

[Tonymac]

Just because i havent Drifted an event doesnt mean im a sideliner. I drift my car in the streets. Reguardless i am planning on attending an event soon. Cya there... :bigthumbu

That's exactly what it means! You ARE a sideliner! A poser! You're the worst kind too b/c you stand there and ridicule others yet you're too much of a coward to put yourself on the line. You already tried to trash Erik and now you're trying with me. Who are you?

^My car IS more aftermarket then oem...So i think i have quite an IDEA.

I've asked you 2x to post up pics of your build, once in this thread and once in the BMW/Nissan thread. Are you afraid or just too stupid to figure out how to post pictures?

So much for that uh...? :laugh:

When you send personal attacks my direction I will respond to them. As far as tech stuff goes, you have no idea what you're talking about and are a waste of my time. Get it now?

 

[Ka-Tony]

That's exactly what it means! You ARE a sideliner! A poser! You're the worst kind too b/c you stand there and ridicule others yet you're too much of a coward to put yourself on the line. You already tried to trash Erik and now you're trying with me. Who are you?

Well, i thought i just told you that i will be attending an event soon.? Anyways, this isnt me trying to say that im better then anyone. I have been drifting for a long time though. YES its been in the streets. It starts in the streets...

I cleared things up with Eric. It was a missunderstanding. Not thats its any of your business. Stop trying to include others to make your point stronger.

I've asked you 2x to post up pics of your build, once in this thread and once in the BMW/Nissan thread. Are you afraid or just too stupid to figure out how to post pictures?

Do you have comprehension issues or are your glasses on too tight? I told you that when im done with my build i will post all the pics. Just for you... :bigthumbu

When you send personal attacks my direction I will respond to them. As far as tech stuff goes, you have no idea what you're talking about and are a waste of my time. Get it now?

You must be the tech genius around here then huh? A personal attack? Kid i hate to break it to yah but everyone knows that you left a nice dent on the speedway wall. Thats merely a personal attack.

So tell me tech boy know it all.. Is it a good idea to drift a Super Hicas 240 in 3rd gear at an oval with walls everywhere? :laugh:

Plz quit while your ahead.... Although its quite amusing to watch you try and justify + explain yourself to me I must admit.

Btw i also have a book for you to read. Its called "Going Faster! Mastering the art of race driving". Learn it. Because by the looks of it you definately need it. :laugh:

 

[Tonymac]

Do you have comprehension issues or are your glasses on too tight? I told you that when im done with my build i will post all the pics. Just for you... :bigthumbu

You must be the tech genius around here then huh? A personal attack? Kid i hate to break it to yah but everyone knows that you left a nice dent on the speedway wall. Thats merely a personal attack.

So tell me tech boy know it all.. Is it a good idea to drift a Super Hicas 240 in 3rd gear at an oval with walls everywhere? :laugh:

Plz quit while your ahead.... Although its quite amusing to watch you try and justify + explain yourself to me I must admit.

Btw i also have a book for you to read. Its called "Going Faster! Mastering the art of race driving". Learn it. Because by the looks of it you definately need it. :laugh:

I never once had to justify or explain any of my actions. That's you! This whole time all you do is make excuses and talk about what will happen. You will go to an event one day. You will post pics of your car one day. :ugh: You question my comprehension skills?! Ha! :laugh:

I'm no tech genius...I wish I were though, that would rule! Oh, and I'm older than you...kid?

As for Hialeah, I don't even understand what you're trying to get at. Yes, I made a mistake. No, my car did not have Super Hicas (like i said, you know nothing), it had been disabled long before I ever drifted at Hialeah. There is nothing wrong with a 3rd gear entry although a 2nd gear entry and 3rd gear upshift would have been smarter. My biggest problem was the tire choice - they were 100% brand new, smaller than I was used to, and I didn't hold back at all (which was all my fault). At the time, I had never upshifted mid-drift and had no idea what would happen (and I was scared to try it). I thought it made more sense to enter in 3rd. Prior to that moment I had only done 2nd gear stuff and knew where my powerband was so I tried to do the same thing I usually did in 2nd, in 3rd. That was about an 80-85mph clutch kick with little/no banking while taking the wrong line. I have nothing to hide, justify, or defend...I made a stupid mistake.

 

[Ka-Tony]

I never once had to justify or explain any of my actions. That's you! This whole time all you do is make excuses and talk about what will happen. You will go to an event one day. You will post pics of your car one day.

Actually I havent given any excuse as to why i havent participated in any event. I am going to participate in one in the near future. That is all... :bigthumbu

Im actually curious to see how my Ka-t will do against your SR POWA....!

 

[Tonymac]

What reasons do you have for never participating in an event?

Also, you still haven't said who you are...who are you?

 

[HellaSFLDan]

he probably hasnt participated in an event because just like every other KA-T owner (besides 240sicknessX) is scared their shit is gonna blow up on the track, or not even make it to the track lol and that's word to yo moms!!

 

[Ka-Tony]

^^ you figured me out.... its because im scared that my ka-t will grenade on the track. You sr guys never pop. I wish i had an sr... /Sarcasm

Im sure that Bandit is scared his Kat is gonna blow aswell huh?

 

[DUDOCIUS]

hey under control, as a mod on this site i am asking for you to take it easy. Another thing we all crashed in hialeah, from rick, me, manny, greg, anthony, seamen, alex, santi, greasy, and a bunch of others, while you were in the other side on the fence all these guys were trying and having fun, thats what drifting is all about having fun, not bringing back the past to insult others. The reasons some of these guys are putting down the whole KAT is because unless you do a complete rebuilt, the KAT is super unreliable. Also please dont bring up the bandit, Bill and XAT are constantly having problems with it. Another guy with a KAT is Tony Schulz and he once told me that he keeps 3 KA just for replacement, because KAT are a time bomb.

 

[Ka-Tony]

Why would a shop that is constantly doing sr swaps rather go with a ka-t on there formula d car? Are you sure there always having problems with it? Doesnt add up. :ugh:

The Ka IS a reliable motor. havent u noticed how many 240s would be at hialeah pounding on there ka's all day long? The Ka-t on the other hand can be a reliable motor. Weve been over this already... tunning/timing/build....

Another thing is... because i went to an event to spectate and chose not to drift at hialeah aka "walls r us" doesnt mean that i dont know what drifting is about. Do you think that because i dont drift at an event that ive never gone drifting anywhere else?

Btw, Just because you crash your car doesnt mean your good. it actually means your doing something wrong. Yes you do learn something from it (hopefully) but it doesnt mean your better then anyone because you have crashed in the past.

Most of the peoplpe who crashed in hialeah shouldnt have been trying to do things that were out of there league.. Obviously there skill wasnt up to par with what they were "attempting".

Sr vs Ka is getting old... :boring:

There's always gonna be kat's and theres always gonna be sr's Period.