Bmw Vs Nissan

dori dori said:
I honestly don't think so. Oftem times aftermaket parts make a car handle/perform worse than from the factory. Nothing you or I can do with $15k will match the level of engineering a company like BMW puts into their M-series cars. The R&D that goes into M series engines alone is beyond impressive. If you knew, you'd understand.

Whatever though, this is the ricer arguement that's been going on since the import scene began...so yes, with $15k one can make a 350z perform better and with $20k one can make a 240sx perform better. But wait, it gets better!!! With $30k, you can make a Mitsubishi Mirage perform better. So a Mitsubishi Mirage = better bang for the buck than a 350z. Nissan sucks, Mitsubishi wins.
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With all the money I will be saving, I'll make a Fiat 500 with a Chevy 572 crate engine better than all of those cars. 1,000 pound car with a 720 hp motor > Nissan, BMW, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, etc.... It doesn't work like that. Not everyone wants a peice of shit fast car. Most car enthusiasts want a car that is fast, handles well, and comfortable. A car that can do it all, for a good price. A 350 Z is cheaper, but it's not that fast, and doesn't look to comfortable. A C6 Corvette Z06 is the best bang for the buck when it comes to speed, but again, not very comfortable, practical, and even if it is a great value, it's still $67,000. So the best car for it all is most probably the M3. It has good power, handles very well, can seat 4 people, and it has all the creature comforts everyone will ever need. The best part is that is $45,000. Not too cheap like the Z, not too expensive like the C6 Corvette ZO6. It's just rght for those who are in the market for a nice car that can do it all. If you are single and have the money for all the speed you can get, get a Z06. And if you are single and have money to get a decent sporty car, get a Z.
 
ok, give me a 350z, 15k, a stock m3, a road course, and u sitting front and center.

dori dori said:
So, ease of HP gain = better car? Please, now you're just fishing.
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^^no it doesnt make it a better car but, it makes it a more competitive car. After all competition is what we are disscusing right?
 
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Under_Control said:
ok, give me a 350z, 15k, a stock m3, a road course, and u sitting front and center.

"So, ease of HP gain = better car? Please, now you're just fishing."

^^no it doesnt make it a better car but, it makes it a more competitive car. After all competition is what we are disscusing right?
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OK, your first statement tells me 2 things:
1. You have no idea what's involved in automotive R&D
2. You were never the captain of any debate team

And you're rebuttal to my statement lacks one thing...pertinence! If GTR's are even brought into the mix though, we should thow in M5's. E39's since those are GTR34 years. M5's have 400hp v8's that rev to 8k. A GTR will need a little more than "turning up the boost" to even touch that.

Next? I'm getting tired...
 
GTR first production car to run under 8 minutes at the ring. i have read that in 2 different magazines.

people need to stop saying the GTR has 280hp. We all know that it has aproximately 320hp. stop kidding yourselves with the BS

spending 15k on aftermarket parts for a GTR.....hhhhhmmmm easy the aftermarket company put the serious money into the R&D, its not like you have to pay for the R&D out of the 15K.

Skylines were well respected Performance cars well before F&F so the rice factor should never be added into this topic.

Guys driving M3's are more likely to gag on a wang on the dilly.
Guys driving GTR's are more likely to be into 10 business men bukake on a schoolgirl.
Girls driving M3's are most likely driving an automatic(skyline doesn't have that option in the GTR)
Girls Driving GTR's are mostly likely to have an FD drift around them to get thier phone number.(or a shitty junkyard FC)


GTR>M3
 
POLE-POSITION said:
GTR first production car to run under 8 minutes at the ring. i have read that in 2 different magazines.

people need to stop saying the GTR has 280hp. We all know that it has aproximately 320hp. stop kidding yourselves with the BS
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First off, the records with the "production car" gtr's are fabled. The best information I can find eludes to a chipped and tuned GTR which BARELY broke the 8min barrier. Until there's any proof, we're all just speculating. Lets just keep this discussion to what we KNOW. BMi - a japanese publication with japanese drivers has tested these cars IN RECENT times on the same tracks at the same time. This is MUCH more reliable information than anything that happened 10yrs ago.

As for the HP, if you think it's got 320, great. Unfortunately, I've picked up plenty of Australian market mags that dyno stock GTR's and they most certainly do have roughly 280 flywheel hp. I have yet to see special edition GTR's like the Nur Spec or Z-tune on a dyno though.

POLE-POSITION said:
spending 15k on aftermarket parts for a GTR.....hhhhhmmmm easy the aftermarket company put the serious money into the R&D, its not like you have to pay for the R&D out of the 15K.
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Come on... www.hop.com

We're talking 350z's here. GTR's sold (when new) for more money than M3's do new. So the $15k+ can get spent on the BMW now. Cool. This is a retarded discussion anyway.

As for the R&D in parts, you're a fool if you think you think you're going to slap on some parts and get better results than factory with no testing and tuning from the owner. If that were the case, setting up race cars would be easy stuff. For someone that claims to have a racing background, you of anyone should know this is NOT true at all.
 
^^ this guy doesnt know how to discuss anything. why are you changing the subject?

the point was that with the cost of an m3 you can buy a 350z and build it to be a better performance car then an m3.

your statements tell me 2 things aswell... :rolleyes:
1)you dont know enough about cars.
2)you obviously were the captain of a debate team because all you do is argue everything.

why dont you learn to accept that its ok to be wrong sometimes...? :bigthumbu
 
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^^ What are you talking about? All you do is keep bashing the same key. The only ignorant in this whole conversation is you. Anthony is bringing up many points and you stick to the same come back everytime. It is you who cannot discuss anything.

- Erick
 
i'm just arguing just to argue...........i haven't started trouble in awhile. i'd still take a GTR over an M3 anyday though. hhhmmmmm 15k in parts and $0 in tuning any of those parts....that would be sweet. running lean and understeering horribbly in a 700hp GTR would kick ass. who needs a car to idle anyway...plus i would spend at least 10k on the body kit and paint. 4k on rims and tires. 1k on a various things with neon.



i thought the original argument was that GTR's are ricer wannabe racecars and M3 are the baddest cars on the planet.
 
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i remember scc gutted a 350z and It was considerably faster.... I'm not sure by how much, but i'm sure it would keep up with a m3 in many categories. plus, it's free... actually you would make money by selling the interior.

POLE-POSITION said:
Guys driving M3's are more likely to gag on a wang on the dilly.
Guys driving GTR's are more likely to be into 10 business men bukake on a schoolgirl.
Girls driving M3's are most likely driving an automatic(skyline doesn't have that option in the GTR)
Girls Driving GTR's are mostly likely to have an FD drift around them to get thier phone number.(or a shitty junkyard FC)
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lol :laugh: :laugh:
 
POLE-POSITION said:
Girls Driving GTR's are mostly likely to have an FD drift around them to get thier phone number.(or a shitty junkyard FC)
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Or a tow truck with a two tone turbo e30 in the truck bed :)
 
i own both a nissan and 2 bmw's and i can say u can't compare this companies with each other. like u guys allready said, nissan's are built for econamy, while bmw is built for luxury and performace. the gtr is a great car, cause of the turbo, it can outrun a m3 in a straight line, but when it comes to a corner, the m3 kills it. bmw doesn't built there cars for brute power like nissan did with the gtr, there cars are built for handling. take a g35 aganist a 330i, g35 has like 50 horses more then a 330i, but the 330i out runs it on a track while on a straight line race the g35 beats the 330i. and both cars are in the same class! they both around the same price, give or take a few $1000's. a 350z is in the same class as the m3, but i would take a stock m3 over a hooked up 350z any day. the bimmer is a solid car, no matter what year bimmer it is. nissan's feel like they were made with glue and rubber bands. 350z are not safe and not fucking comfortable. when u take off, they feel like they want to fall apart and u can see the whole tranny move and everything. i think there junk. and i work for nissan too, so i drive them everyday, new ones and used ones. the 240 is a million times better then the z.

oh and also, bmw made a f1 motor back in the late 70's that made over 1600 horse's. it was a 1.5 liter, single cam twin turbo motor. every time the motor was dynoed, it made over 1550 horses. i think it ran one year and then was banned from f1 cause it over powered the competion.
 
rwdrift said:
^^ What are you talking about? All you do is keep bashing the same key. The only ignorant in this whole conversation is you. Anthony is bringing up many points and you stick to the same come back everytime. It is you who cannot discuss anything.

- Erick
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^^ first of all you should read all the comments before you say things... he is swaying away from the point i was making and trying to bash on me on a whole nother subject just because he was wrong...

this isnt really an arguement with "comebacks". and frankly i dont care to discuss which company is "better". no one here can prove which is "better".I just made a comment about "for the money nissan takes it hands down". it is a FACT that you can build a better performance nissan with the money used to buy a stock m3.

why is it so hard to comprehend?

plz remove the cape... and stop trying to be his savior. :laugh:
 
Under_Control said:
ok, give me a 350z, 15k, a stock m3, a road course, and u sitting front and center.
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lol @ u

your car is listed as a 180sx, although your avatar says "ka24det" inside. :laugh: :bigthumbu


staying on topic:
Could you list some of the technologies or improvements that either of the car manufacturers have implemented to make either car advantageous over one another? Could the disadvantages of either chassis be fixed with money inside the budget? You could even discuss chassis design if you wish.
 
Variable Lock Diff, probably my favorite in the whole package, which has a pump inside the diff housing that's powered by the difference in the speed that each wheel rotates. Everytime one wheel starts spinning faster than the other, the pump pushes the clutch disc to transfer the power to the wheel with best road grip (the one that would usually be useless in open diffs)

Double VANOS, which changes the timing by 60º on the intake cam and 46º on the exhaust cam (IIRC). The whole variable timing has it's own pressure pump, independent of the oil pump, which makes the whole process much quicker and smoother.

Individual Throttle bodies. Self-explanatory.

Dry sump system in the oilpan.

etc

etc... I gotta do my homework on the e46s....
 
dori dori said:
So, ease of HP gain = better car?
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on the track.....yea,
for someone with a budget....yea....


we all know bmw makes 'better' cars, i havent seen anyone post anything that contradicts that. why are you arguing with ppl for no reason? i didnt say the skyline is 'better' than the M3, tho if i was choosing a performance/track car, skyline>M3 hands down imo simply b/c of price. a car for me and my wife, to drive around town, take on raodtrips and i could also 'play around with' when i got the urge, if i could afford it, would be an M...hands down.
 
Most of my arguments are going towards under_control.

How much will a Skyline GtR be anyways (if it ever comes out in the US)?
 
meh, in the US...dont know, i am talking about if you had both current cars available to buy.(not in US)
 
lol @ u.

didnt u hitnrun against a pole or someshyt? :laugh: :bigthumbu

15k budget...

Motor = 5k turbonetics turbo kit. throw in another 1k on tunning and misc parts

Suspension = u have about 9k to play with.... Coilovers, sway bars, bushings, arms, lsd, cage, brakes, etc...

hmm... is that enough? :bigthumbu
 
drifter-xt said:
nissan's are built for econamy.
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economy is spelled wrong


and since when is a twin turbo, computer controled awd, front and rear yaw control, computer controled 4 wheel steering, 13second 1/4 mile car an economy car....okay from now on we argue 318ti vs GTR (two economy cars)

supra markIV vs FD vs NSX vs 318(unless the 1 series is out yet)
 
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