Florida Drift Points Series

[Josh]

^^ If theres no tandem. We won't need any more insurance as before. FACT. They are talking about a fun completley pointless (but with points) competition. I wouldn't do it that way.

I am sorry you think that, but you are wrong. The moment a event moves from general practice to a point standing type competition irregardless of how trivial you try and chalk it up as there is an increase of insurance. Just an FYI, the only running events in Florida that have the proper insurance are Moroso and OSW. The reason why premiums keep raising is because around the country there are only 2 providers for insurance, who communicate between each other. When their scouts see multiple cars on track, or improper safety conditions, or lack of saftey and support, w/e insurance raises.

Please do not argue with me regarding insurance I know what I am talking about and have done my research. Take it from someone that got real tired of driving an oval and wanted to move to various skid pads, etc and tried to find the best deal. It wont happen.

The only other viable option is for us to petition NASA and US Drift to open a chapter in Florida. That way we could fall under thier policy. Only problem with that is, once it is a US Drift sanctioned event, the event holders lose control and other come in to run things. I would gladly step aside for the better of the community but take it how you want to. Some outsider coming in could be a good or bad thing.

 

[okinawa drifter]

The only people that need to be talking about this is the event organizers. If this is something they would like to see and do. They need to speak about it. Having everyone put in their two cents would be pointless and cause more of a headache. So if event organizers would like to see this happen. They are the ones that need to be speaking. Josh and myself have gone a long way into getting OSW and having it still be around.

Stepping aside to let US drift or NASA run a point series event is a good idea. Please dont think negatively about this. There are still a lot more details to work out between event organizers and trying to put this together, but I think this option may be one to have in consideration.

 

[Josh]

OSW and any track in general is irrelevant if it is only an idea being discussed amongst people on a forum.

You are right in one aspect though. It is not the responsibility of the general public to make it happen, it is the general public's obligation to feed the event organizers ideas and support and make sure they get together to make it happen. That is the only path that is viable at this point in time.

 

[MiaS13]

once again, you are taking what i am saying and inflating beyond its original point. a fun friendly comp IS possible, its when people want to make it iconic or soccumb to greed that it becomes a problem. im not suggesting that we in any way shape or form try to live up to nopi. i suggest along with others just 3 judges that are appointed to judge runs, will not interfere with the events running. and as for money for prizes, if you read once again we are not promising ass loads of cash, or shopping sprees. we are offering simple trophies. among friends and a community this can happen.

as for costs why is there sponsors needed? are we handing out things so astronomical in price? no ,5 bux from the people that want to participate is MORE than enough to cover some shiny trophies stickers and a couple shirts. why is that everyone wants to rely on a sponsor to make things happen, when you were a kid and played little league you PAID for that right? ok or when you want your car built do you sit around and wait for a sponsor or do you get started and maybe you'll get some help down the line. so whats the difference. forget sponsors for now they arent going to put money into anything that just appeared out of the blue. as long as we have the cooperation of the event holder (tim, harri, fara,and josh that means you too) then this can run smoothly. whats the harm? and where is the harm to YOUR wallet?

 

[Josh]

Ok, I'm done. Run with it. Do what you think will work. I will be the first to say "I told you so".

Not listening to those with almost 3 years of expierence is stupid in my opinion.

We reap what we sew. Being open minded is a key virtue MANY lack.

p.s. Oh for the record. If you think I actually make money? You are wrong. I ran two years of events for FREE because I love doing it. I just recently started getting paid minimum wage per hour because of legality reason (i.e. for the tracks insurance to cover me I had to be an 'employee'). I would run this for free to if it came to it. Stop judging people you don't know.

 

[DUDOCIUS]

once again, you are taking what i am saying and inflating beyond its original point. a fun friendly comp IS possible, its when people want to make it iconic or soccumb to greed that it becomes a problem. im not suggesting that we in any way shape or form try to live up to nopi. i suggest along with others just 3 judges that are appointed to judge runs, will not interfere with the events running. and as for money for prizes, if you read once again we are not promising ass loads of cash, or shopping sprees. we are offering simple trophies. among friends and a community this can happen.

as for costs why is there sponsors needed? are we handing out things so astronomical in price? no ,5 bux from the people that want to participate is MORE than enough to cover some shiny trophies stickers and a couple shirts. why is that everyone wants to rely on a sponsor to make things happen, when you were a kid and played little league you PAID for that right? ok or when you want your car built do you sit around and wait for a sponsor or do you get started and maybe you'll get some help down the line. so whats the difference. forget sponsors for now they arent going to put money into anything that just appeared out of the blue. as long as we have the cooperation of the event holder (tim, harri, fara,and josh that means you too) then this can run smoothly. whats the harm? and where is the harm to YOUR wallet?

So you are telling me, that now the event organizer who is struggling to make ends meet, has to pay for some shiny trophies. Cmon man, lets be realistic... Tim doesnt make a profit from the county line events, Harri losses or breaks even for the Tertech events... so now those guys have to figure out a way to pay for some trophies. i guess lets make the drifters pay more, or the espectators pay more too... so 3 guys can get trophies. I get were you are coming from Emil, the thing is not that simple. If we can get the track owners to picth in some money for some trophies maybe that would work, or even if we can get someones company involved as long as they get some advertisement it would work too...

 

[Aerok180]

How about setting up a board of directors and a meeting with a discussion involving the main criteria needed to organize such a thing. I think everyone just throwing shit at each other makes no sense whatsoever because its not going to go nowhere!

If this idea or dream that we speak of determines if it should be reality or not should be completely up to the main event organizers in Florida jurisdicion. Insurance should be brought up at different levels of event/series level of competition....what it entitles? how much is the cost? what location?

Like Josh is saying, there is alot more then all of us think! If we have the power to do so, lets make it happen! That's if people are willing to put in time and effort to make it happen! There are alot of knowledgable people here in Florida that could possibly pull some strings and make this huge. In return, future sponsors or local family companies like Pizza Hut, CVS/Walgreens, Walmart, Publix, Island Water Sports, fucken Ice cream shops, etc.....anybody willing to participate will literaly end up giving money for advertising. Then you got yourself a competition.

Sorry, I somewhat drifted off a bit but you get my idea.....Marketing Manager is needed to market this idea to possible investors, track owners, etc......

I hope my input makes sense to some of you

 

[okinawa drifter]

sponsors???? where did that come from. I think there is a lot of miscommunication on this. hahaha. heres the things. If for some reason the wrong people hear about a points series going on in florida between event holders, organizers. etc. Insurance for that track will go up. Whos going to pay for that increase? drivers will have to. As Josh mentioned before. Insurance scouts and others keep a close eye out at events. We would have like to put on some kind of prize, or trophy or something. but as soon as insurance finds out we are doing that. We get classified as running a competition. BAM! Insurance goes up.

So like mentioned before. GREAT IDEA!!! on trying to make this happen. Florida drivers need to get together and become united. I remember when SLF guys used to come up and drift with us at OSW. It was great times, met great people and had a full day of fun. Getting to meet Pablo, Raffi, and his bro, and some of you others. If it wasnt for meeting Pablo at OSW, I dont think us at Enjuku during Nopi would have been able to get Bills car fixed. btw, again pablo, thanks.

So event organizers need to get together and come up with a plan and see this thing through. It has to be 100% legit. I think I can speak for Josh and myself when I say that. This means all places, Morroso, Countyline, Desoto, Fairgrounds, or where ever the event may be held should be under the same insurance policy. This will make sure Legally no one can get screwed. I would never put OSW at risk of having a raise in insurance policy or even losing it completely. In no way would I attach OSW to another event thats not 100% legit.

Theres many reasons for this and theres a lot of great detail that involves it and would have to take some time to discuss and make sure everyone is covered. Law suits arent fun....and not risking being involved in one.

Once again, the idea is great and would like to see this happen. So lets get all the event organizers together.

I do remember talking to somebody, (forgot name) of having a section on the forum for just event organizers to talk amongst each other. This obviously fell out of place, but would be a great start in getting the event organizers to talk and figure things out if you guys want to see this through.

So we are getting into August now. Lets try to get this thing going for the new year to come.

How about setting up a board of directors and a meeting with a discussion involving the main criteria needed to organize such a thing. I think everyone just throwing shit at each other makes no sense whatsoever because its not going to go nowhere!

If this idea or dream that we speak of determines if it should be reality or not should be completely up to the main event organizers in Florida jurisdicion. Insurance should be brought up at different levels of event/series level of competition....what it entitles? how much is the cost? what location?

Like Josh is saying, there is alot more then all of us think! If we have the power to do so, lets make it happen! That's if people are willing to put in time and effort to make it happen! There are alot of knowledgable people here in Florida that could possibly pull some strings and make this huge. In return, future sponsors or local family companies like Pizza Hut, CVS/Walgreens, Walmart, Publix, Island Water Sports, fucken Ice cream shops, etc.....anybody willing to participate will literaly end up giving money for advertising. Then you got yourself a competition.

Sorry, I somewhat drifted off a bit but you get my idea.....Marketing Manager is needed to market this idea to possible investors, track owners, etc......

I hope my input makes sense to some of you

You are on our level and I appreciate it. There is a lot more then what most of you think.

 

[Josh]

Ok I lied, I am back and I am just giong to come out and say it.

Desosto and Countyline they way are they are run right now, I will have no apart of with any sort of unified effort until they run a proper operation. No offense to the individuals that take their time to make it happen but there are a lot of things behind the scenes that YOU do not know about that skylite your operation (through no fault of your own other then not knowing). I am not going to into detail regarding who/what is at fault unless you the actual holder would like to speak to me off line.

I will just say this, just because you are running an event does not mean it is helping the community. You can do a lot of damage unknowingly behind the scenes with track owners, insurance companies, state wildlife, law enforcement, the list goes on.



-josh


how far does the rabbit hole go?

 

[MiaS13]

So you are telling me, that now the event organizer who is struggling to make ends meet, has to pay for some shiny trophies. Cmon man, lets be realistic... Tim doesnt make a profit from the county line events, Harri losses or breaks even for the Tertech events... so now those guys have to figure out a way to pay for some trophies. i guess lets make the drifters pay more, or the espectators pay more too... so 3 guys can get trophies. I get were you are coming from Emil, the thing is not that simple. If we can get the track owners to picth in some money for some trophies maybe that would work, or even if we can get someones company involved as long as they get some advertisement it would work too...

no man, i clearly stated. event organizers nor spectators have to pay for anything. the guys who want to participate just chip in like 5 bux each. with enough people that will cover some things.

 

[Josh]

Dude, seriously, run with it. Before you even pull it off you will realize what I am saying.

I do however wish you the best of luck.

-Josh

 

[okinawa drifter]

you guys are arguing about the little things. The big thing here needs to be getting the event organizers together and thats where it should start. They should be the ones left to figure out the small details.

Bickering about whos going to pay for trophies is irrelevant. This is not bitch fest 2008 for Florida drifters and shouldnt be. So in my opinion let the event organizers handle this and speak within this thread. If you have a possible dispute, question etc. chime in, but I say we try not to argue, this idea will not see its way through if we continue to do so. There is great potential for Florida drifters.

 

[Aerok180]

Emil, you gotta think outside the box homie...its not that easy, and $5 is nothing!

Listen, I am serious about this....if needed I am willing to be on the board! I am sick and tired with the rest of this country having so much god damn time drifting on numerous tracks and here we are the lowest of the low!!!!!

We need to step it up, no more bitching or arguing.....time to take action, time to step up the game! I saw alot of good drivers dedicated enough to travel to come to a Ter-Tech event, and I am damn sure i saw local talent as well....

Lets fuckin do this people.....How can we organize a meeting with all event organizers and vote for a board of directors. Where can we organize this event? On what date?

seriously!

 

[Josh]

Emil, you gotta think outside the box homie...its not that easy, and $5 is nothing!

Listen, I am serious about this....if needed I am willing to be on the board! I am sick and tired with the rest of this country having so much god damn time drifting on numerous tracks and here we are the lowest of the low!!!!!

We need to step it up, no more bitching or arguing.....time to take action, time to step up the game! I saw alot of good drivers dedicated enough to travel to come to a Ter-Tech event, and I am damn sure i saw local talent as well....

Lets fuckin do this people.....How can we organize a meeting with all event organizers and vote for a board of directors. Where can we organize this event? On what date?

seriously!

I am down for whatever. I for one have a very hectic schedule so I would need a window (im sure others would as well, assuming everyone is on-board)..

 

[okinawa drifter]

Majority of the Florida Drifters would like to see this happen. So here is what I suggest to start this thing off on the right foot. Event organizers need to keep an open mind and be willing to try to work things out. So if they are interested and want to give it a shot let it be known. It is going to take a long time to get it organized and in operation. Like mentioned before some of You guys dont know what details are involved. If you did you would understand.

I find myself laughing because I do believe this was tried before with "drift coalition". involving Rob (drumfunken). The basic idea of having Florida Event holders and drivers unite. Dont know where that went but hey, it needs to be done eventually in my opinion to help this sport grown within our state.

 

[MiaS13]

what the hell are you talking about. im not putting events together ill leave that to the guys who know how to do it.
its quite simple. if your in you pay 5 bux, if your not you dont pay 5 bux. see how easy. 3 guys judge it. give points. points leader gets shiny trophy that was payed for with the accumulation of 5 dollar bills. see how easy. no can of worms, no insurance, no announcers, no sponsors, none of that just friendly fun comp.

 

[okinawa drifter]

Ok, so here is what I say needs to happen. To make things easier, There needs to be a decicated section on this forum for an exchange of information. Event Organizers need to be the first involved obviously. The rest that are interested in giving a hand will be notified.

Emil, you gotta think outside the box homie...its not that easy, and $5 is nothing!

Listen, I am serious about this....if needed I am willing to be on the board! I am sick and tired with the rest of this country having so much god damn time drifting on numerous tracks and here we are the lowest of the low!!!!!

We need to step it up, no more bitching or arguing.....time to take action, time to step up the game! I saw alot of good drivers dedicated enough to travel to come to a Ter-Tech event, and I am damn sure i saw local talent as well....

Lets fuckin do this people.....How can we organize a meeting with all event organizers and vote for a board of directors. Where can we organize this event? On what date?

seriously!

 

[Josh]

Majority of the Florida Drifters would like to see this happen. So here is what I suggest to start this thing off on the right foot. Event organizers need to keep an open mind and be willing to try to work things out. So if they are interested and want to give it a shot let it be known. It is going to take a long time to get it organized and in operation. Like mentioned before some of You guys dont know what details are involved. If you did you would understand.

I find myself laughing because I do believe this was tried before with "drift coalition". involving Rob (drumfunken). The basic idea of having Florida Event holders and drivers unite. Dont know where that went but hey, it needs to be done eventually in my opinion to help this sport grown within our state.

You are just repeating the same thing over and over as is the majority of people in this thread.

Like I said. If the community (fyi the community expands outside of sfl) wants to see this happen it is their obligation to make sure it happens.

 

[okinawa drifter]

HAHAHAHA dude, its not that simple. you are being closed minded. You dont run events. you have no idea of whats involved. Your rabbit hole goes far..... and you may have foot in mouth disease.

what the hell are you talking about. im not putting events together ill leave that to the guys who know how to do it.
its quite simple. if your in you pay 5 bux, if your not you dont pay 5 bux. see how easy. 3 guys judge it. give points. points leader gets shiny trophy that was payed for with the accumulation of 5 dollar bills. see how easy. no can of worms, no insurance, no announcers, no sponsors, none of that just friendly fun comp.

 

[Josh]

what the hell are you talking about. im not putting events together ill leave that to the guys who know how to do it.
its quite simple. if your in you pay 5 bux, if your not you dont pay 5 bux. see how easy. 3 guys judge it. give points. points leader gets shiny trophy that was payed for with the accumulation of 5 dollar bills. see how easy. no can of worms, no insurance, no announcers, no sponsors, none of that just friendly fun comp.

So yea with this statement I am done and the topic should be over. People like you is why florida was labled fail.

You want so much but have no idea what it takes.

Edit: Just noticed that you said no insurance. So with that I am pulling OSW out, good luck. Go find a parking lot and call some friends, have fun.