I dont know why anyone hates on honda motors. It's riced out single cam nonvtec cars that give them a bad rep... name any engine that makes as much hp/liter NA as a f20(s2000 i think) or a b18c4 other than a rx8 because that's not really a 1.3 liter engine. in 1988 honda put the b16 into cars and it made 100 hp/liter. I love them but wish they would make an affordable rwd car ...so for now it's my 62.5 hp/liter ka.