Tire pressure for driffting?

Roly D Sauce

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so how does this work? im a newb when it comes to this type of stuff. i read up in another thread that box mentioned that tire pressure is important. also pat (bearcat) mentioned different tire pressures. one while the tires were still cold and another pressure while the tires were hot.how can this be an advantage to you? how can it hurt u? i was thinking about this the other day so i decided to make a thread for myself and other newbs. please keep the uselessness out.also if the mods can sticky this for me. it would be greatly appreciated.


thanks
 
Well I asked Boxmod a while back. He told me that lowering the pressure essentially adds more grip while raising does the opposite. Also he told me to start out at a certain pressure cold and measure how much it rises as you slide. Then let off the pressure accordingly. You can either ask him for more detail or I will email you the manual he made for me lol.
 
Yeah that's it right there. Also as heat increases (drifting), pressure increases, and the likelyhood of a tire blowing up increases.
 
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i run 30 psi front about 40-45 rear depending on if its a skidpad or track. but it depends alot on your suspension set up and track conditions
 
Remeber, every tire is different. Some grip more, some are bigger, some wear quicker, some chunk at this psi, some chunk at that psi.
 
that^ and tire pressure also depends on the size of the tire and how much power ur putting down
 
Just just play around, there are no big secrets here. Its like asking what the best pre-load or spring rate is for you...you just have figure out what you like and what you don't. Obviously don't go to extremes and inflate the bitch to 40+psi or deflate it to 20psi. Trial and error, you'll definitely feel it. Auto-x is a good place to test pressures too.
 
trial and error. thats why its important to take notice of what you run, when you run it, how much it changes from driving, and all that. you will get a 'general rule' for your setup that you can then always start at and adjust after the first 3-4 runs to dial in the new track/temp/tire you are using.

I remember writing that for you but I have had to clear messages since. feel free to post it up.

as others have said too much psi OR too low, can cause different tires to detread/wear out prematurely.

With my SR(230hp) I start my nexens at 32 in all 4 corners when I ran 225F/235R. If I was running a 245R Id start it at 35psi. After a run, I would recheck them and let air back out to be back at where I started.

with my LS1 I plan to run wider tires 235F 265R or 275R and start them about the same PSI and see how it feels and adjust from there.

the actual size of wheel can highly effect your feel of power and change what psi you want and what size tire... a 17in wheel is much harder to spin for a car than a 15in. If you have trouble keeping wheels spinning, step down some, I used to run 14s with 95s on my sohc.

I'll add more after he posts up what I sent him if needed. I'm no expert, its just based on my experience.
 
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The rule of thumb is for every 10° Fahrenheit change in air temperature, your tire's inflation pressure will change by about 1 psi (up with higher temperatures and down with lower).

Most tires hold 40 PSI max, if you go higher you run chance of blowout.
Racing tires have a higher PSI rating, thus can handle more PSI.

Now, when the Air PSI goes up, the grip goes down.
and when the PSi goes down, the grip goes up.

ex: if you are towing a boat up a boat ramp, if you put your tire psi too high, the tires will cone, and thus lessening the area of grip that your tires provide.

If you lower the PSI the tires become flat, thus widening the area of grip.

next time you drift, take either a surface/ laser thermometer, and measure before and after your heatup/ race or w.e measure the temp of the tires. this will give an idea how much air you should put in your tires and avoid them blowing up on you.

I hope i helped
 
when you understeer -in the front and/or + in the back if you car is underpowered + in the rear start at 32 all around and adujust from there like box said
 
i took box's word back when he wrote that, and i started all four corners at 30, and when i slid that i let the backs out to 28 and it was like night and day, i was on birdgestone turanzas 235/45/17r, they were chunking like nasty any higher than 35... so i made sure to keep it lower...
 
well I don't know what tire pressure you were at already, but I can give you general advice.

There is a few things to know about tire pressure before you go play with it too much. You can control the cars handling 'feel' by adjusting the front or the rear or both. Depending on what you are feeling. Too high a tire pressure can cause pre-mature tire wear/blow outs, too low pressure the tires will be sloshy and roll over on the sidewalls. (to prevent this, people use stretches/low profile tires, because it creates a stiffer sidewall) Another very important thing to remember when drifting/racing is that tires heat up. This extra heat causes tire pressure to rise. From my experience, the fronts raise 2-3psi and the rears about 5-7psi depending on the day/track/speeds im going. Its VERY important to be consistent with car settings if you are going to advance your driving skills. This heating factor for air pressure is why top drivers: a) do burnouts before a session, after tires have cooled since last session (b) have a pit crew guy check PSI after every run (c) run the same exact tires every time. The less variables you have to 'consider' what is causing the handling issue, the easier you can overcome it. For now, learning to drive and take the psi rise into consideration on your own will make you better prepared when you get more into the sport. Its a lot of trial and error to find out how you like it, but once you get it down, its like routine and stupid simple.

Adjustments (the psi changes are suggested to start with, once you try it, feel free to only change by 1-2 psi if you want, its all your choice of course):
If you are oversteering way too much:
- Steering input feels responsive, but the rear is way too slippery
**Lower rear tire pressure ~5psi and try that, then re-evaluate
-Steering input feels responsive, but the rear is way too grippy
**Raise rear tire pressure ~5psi and try that, then re-evaluate
-Rear grip seems perfect for your cars power (you can slide and control it fine), but you are getting understeer a lot, or the car is slow to respond.
**Lower Front tire pressure ~4 psi and try, re-evaluate.
--Rear grip seems perfect for your cars power (you can slide and control it fine), but your front tires are rolling over on the sidewall and that is causing understeer. If you aren't sure, you can color/paint on the tires sidewall- do 2 or 3 runs, and check to see if it is getting rubbed off far down on the sidewall.
**Raise Front tire pressure ~4psi try, re-evaluate.

General rule is that lowering tire pressure will add grip, to a certain point, after that psi is reached and you go lower, it gets sloshy and handles like crap. Adding tire pressure MAY add grip IF you are below that point, other than that, normally you will lose grip in the tire. Add too much and you can blow them out quickly. If you have to add that much air that your blowign them up or running them at like 60psi- get skinnier tires or smaller wheels (goto 14s instead of 15s, or 15s instead of 16s).

Surface, tire brand, tire model, and temperature all play a roll in the cars handling so each day might be slightly different. Find a psi you like to start at (mine is 32 in all 4) and then do a 2-3 runs and think about whats going on. Its easy to get hung up on changing tire pressure- thinkin it will solve the drivers problem, but it can make a big difference in a driver struggling, versus controlling the car.

On top of all this, if you have adjustable suspension, you have even further ways to change the handling of the car. Sometimes you like the way the tires are wearing and gripping and heating up, but you want a little more this or that, the adjustable coilovers are great for that.

Good luck, and sorry for writing a book, but should give you a great start.

There you go!!
 
roly stock ka i usually up the tire pressure in the rear around 35-40psi it helps but make sure you have enough grip in front i usually lower mine to around 30psi
 
i generally start front at about 35 and rear about 32 if i dont have enough power i increase pressure in rear if not enough grip then decrease rear pressure. And in the front i normally stay around 35 hot or cold in the front if it pushes then i decrease. (250)whp
 
Get a bottle of nitrogen from your local welding store.Your tire pressures stay the same no matter how hot the tires get. I usually run between 60-70 psi . You get ausome smoke and a very predictable breaking piont.
 
yea smoke will dump since you are spinning more tire and not moving anywhere. you have such low grip in the rear that you wont get speed through the turn. at least from my experience. I know about the nitrogen but meh, I'm not baller enough.
 
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