this discourages me, personally

Alchemist XL said:
everyone has their own opinions of drifting, thats why some people still drive ae86s and think they are the best drift car in the world.. it's all a matter of opinion. pulling the ebrake is ***-dragging in whatever car you use, fwd or rwd or awd.. since everyone and their moms are so fascinated with clutch kick, i guess if the rear end doesnt slide out from a clutch kick its not a real drift car therefor it cant drift.. and that whole dirt argument about its not drifting cuz its on dirt, well i guess no one was drifting at the most recent Orlando event because there was dirt all over that track.. everyone has their own 2 cents about everything, some people say that drifting in the rain isn't considered drifting at all, even though it takes a lot more technique than drifting in the dry due to the random traction loss if one patch was wetter than the other opposed to all dry. but this thread is just going to go on and on about what people think and in the end no ones going to be happy and Im going to ban everyone.
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Oh man you openned up something with the ae86 statement lol. I'll agree that some people think it is the greatest drift car ever but dont compare it to the 240sx craze. But those who really know would say something different. It's hard to drift an ae86 well. You basically have to be perfect to do well in a 86, other cars are a lot more forgiving. Many of the best drifters(In Japan) started off with an 86, its a car that's hard to drive so you have no choice but to hone your skills if you want to do well in a 86.

Now to get on topic. . .I told you before man, forget to what others say. The true fans/drivers will give you respect. They understand the passion and hardwork it takes to gain skill at driving(no matter what type of car it is rwd,awd or ff). They also understand tunning of a car, the seat time and then fixing it, etc. Just stay focused on what you want, and from what I read on this thread you making some friends along the way and thats never bad. :)
 
So true man, at least my efforts and intentions will be understood by the true drivers and enthusiasts, I never thought to see it that way.
 
The Redline 03 said:
Oh man you openned up something with the ae86 statement lol. I'll agree that some people think it is the greatest drift car ever but dont compare it to the 240sx craze. But those who really know would say something different. It's hard to drift an ae86 well. You basically have to be perfect to do well in a 86, other cars are a lot more forgiving. Many of the best drifters(In Japan) started off with an 86, its a car that's hard to drive so you have no choice but to hone your skills if you want to do well in a 86.
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Why that's just poppy****! That's the same with any car. There is no easy, forgiving car to drift...all of them take skill (if it didin't, we'd all be pros). Drifters in Nippon started with the 86 for one reason...it was cheap and easy to aquire. Crashing one meant nothing. I know its an underpowered, shortwheelbase car but so is a Miata and nobody swings on that car's nuts.
 
**** that man!!!! Ive seen videos of the Falken Civic (the old school model before th EG6) Going sidewayz and that awsome...Turning,shifting,accelerating , and ebrakeing all at the same to me is not that easy .....So keep on going Dude!!!!!! Do ur thing!!
 
dori dori said:
Why that's just poppy****! That's the same with any car. There is no easy, forgiving car to drift...all of them take skill (if it didin't, we'd all be pros). Drifters in Nippon started with the 86 for one reason...it was cheap and easy to aquire. Crashing one meant nothing. I know its an underpowered, shortwheelbase car but so is a Miata and nobody swings on that car's nuts.
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Well, I guess I was a little misunderstood. Yes, its true no car is easy to drift, its all about driver skill. It's been proven over and over again get a good drifter/driver from a underpowered car (i.e. ae86, Miata, I've even seen a Starlet, etc) and put him in with a more powerful well-balanced car and its makes his job a lot easier. I have a lot of respect for Miatas I always wanted one. I always said they were a very underated car, for the performance they can give out.

To drive a underpowered car well its all about technique more so than other cars, you can't rely on HP or Torque to help you out much. Don't take my word for it, just read interviews with Ueo, Hibino, Gen Teraski, etc. There was a guy in a Miata also who was close to making it in D1. I forgot his name, I'll see if I can find him for you, great driver.

What I meant was underpower cars like the Miata, ae86 and plenty others are not as forgiving as more powerful well-balanced cars. They force you to rely on technique(steering work, braking, footwork, staying in the torque band, etc) more than anything and by doing that it builds good drivers. Its hard to explain things online quickly sorry lol.


P.S. Hey man we are in the same team underpowered, short wheel base, money pits lol. I want to see you do well in the Miata. I'll always be cheering for the underdog privateer, disprove all those non-believers.
 
The Redline 03 said:
Well, I guess I was a little misunderstood. Yes, its true no car is easy to drift
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To me my S13 feels easy to drift... I guess i'm skilled then :cool:

lol yeah...
 
JeepsteR118 said:
you sure about that buddy? :rolleyes:
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No he's not sure... People always say the Miata runs on pure Estrogen.... LOL
I respect the Miata as a car.... But every Miata I see either has a middle aged woman or a guy with a rainbow sticker on the back driving it.
 
Hey mang, if you love the sport and enjoy drifting your FF then **** what everyone else says. Do it because you love it. Not because others do. And I dont think you'll be happy with yourself if you leave the sport or stop drifting your FF just because a bunch of haters start talking **** about it. A drifts a drift. And locking the back tires in an FF is a form of losing traction in the rear tires. You counter steer and all. Its FF Drifting mang. Just enjoy.
 
A Corolla Ae86 Is Not A Hard Car To Drive Get Over It!!!!!!!!!! If U Find It Hard To Drive Something Is Wrong With You

i was driving a ae86 sr5 for awhile and the only thing hard about that was starting it on a cold day and keeping up with traffic.. it drifts the same way any other car can drift, clutch kick, ebrake, power over, shift lock, feint, etc.
 
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Well i genneraly dislike FF's altogether so i dont much care.... personally I hope I never own a FF car.

Although I do like watching FF's slide... something about it is so wrong that it makes it cool
 
Alchemist XL said:
A Corolla Ae86 Is Not A Hard Car To Drive Get Over It!!!!!!!!!! If U Find It Hard To Drive Something Is Wrong With You

i was driving a ae86 sr5 for awhile and the only thing hard about that was starting it on a cold day and keeping up with traffic.. it drifts the same way any other car can drift, clutch kick, ebrake, power over, shift lock, feint, etc.
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Them be some fighting words lol. Nah, thats cool man everyone is entitled to believe what they want. All I ask is to show me some proof from reliable sources saying the ae86 is a easy car to drive/drift and I'll show mine on my point of view. I havent seen anyone say its not hard to drive an ae86. Maybe the word hard isn't the perfect one to use, how about "more dependent on a driver inputs." Probably better to do it in a PM than here.

Now to get on topic. You do what you feel is right, everyone who is a "car guy" drives because they enjoy it. Sometimes people disagree with somethings. Like for example FF drifting. FF drifting just makes everything harder on a driver, I'm sure someone who drifts FF starts driving a rwd car he/she will realize how much easier it would be. Its all about personal preference and what you like.
 
yea, I've just caught up with all the posts again, and since I have no other analogy for it, I guess FF drifting can be compared to racism. You're either for it or against it. And like with racism, you just can't seem to convince anyone's perspective about it. You're either for it or against it. I'll keep what everyone's said to me in mind. Thanks, all.

ff entrances are crazy if done right but a fr has you beat on the exit of the turn and into the next one.
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--Because of the "push" characteristics of RWD compared to the "pull" characterisitics of FWD. I'm well aware of that, which is why I try to insist that I'm not trying to "compete" but just have my fun, since it seems its just about all I can do with an FF platform. And if I understood you right, yea, the entrances are pretty wicked -- I remember one time at the hialeah speedway where I slid into one of the infield stretches practically staring in the direction of the next straightaway. Pretty phenomenal.

A drifts a drift. And locking the back tires in an FF is a form of losing traction in the rear tires. You counter steer and all.
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my sentiments exactly.

And everyone, please make sure you understand that I obviously know that FR's are superior in drifting, hands down, I've already explained that several times already. THe nature of this thread was just intended for me to question the acceptance of 1) me drifitng an FF, and 2) the general consensus of FF drifting, as thats the direction this thread seems to be heading.
 
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JeepsteR118 said:
you sure about that buddy? :rolleyes:
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Ummmm, yeah, 100% SURE. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: x111elenvtybillion Why wouldn't I be? Compared to an 86, in the drift world, Miata's are nothing while 86's are being idolized like their the new golden calf! Why? Because of a cartoon quote and quite frankly, I'm sick of it. But w/e...if people want to believe they will only become great drivers behind the wheel of an 86, or that drifting will be easy in any car after it, or that they are doing something that takes more skill than everyone else, ect ect ect so be it.
 
Yeah I agree to certain degree. There are cars like the Miata who deserve respect. The popularity of the ae86 is caused by a few things, I think atleast. One would being Initial D and the hype around that. The only way to become a great driver is to have the passion for that motorsport and to have as much seat time as possible. It doesn't matter what you drive. Every car has their characteristics. It's a matter of which technique you prefer and find a car that fits the bill.
 
dont worry about man i used to drift a corolla too, and i didnt use the ebrake :cool:
but i guess a cars a car and if you get it sideways one way or anthor your drifting.
 
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