So I broke all 4 exhaust side rocker arms, timing issue?

DeanGrind

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LOL another one of these, so I rebuilt my SR, went to do the initial start up, and this happened, I cranked it over by hand before I started it and nothing strange happened then, so what could this be all about? I can't see any damage to the valves, but then again I havent taken the head off either, and I'd prefer not to.

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Anybody ever hear of all 4 on one side breaking or have a similar experience of advice? I feel like this is timing related

:rolleyes:
 
Maybe old and they just couldn't handle the torque? I've never heard of 4 on one side breaking on anything before
 
I've found improper valve adjustment has caused rockers to break in BMW motors but I have no experience with Nissan.

Here is something from a google search.

Rocker Breakage!
– What Typically Causes It – Too Much Spring Pressure, Bad Geometry, Wild Camshafts?

Factory rocker arms were designed to run a long time in the atmosphere of a stock engine. Subjecting them to increased spring pressures or aggressive cam profiles can be a disaster. Trunion bearings, axles, nose wheels, and pushrod cups can fail at any given time. Quality aftermarket roller rockers are designed with high performance hazards figured into the equation to help prevent these failures.
Aftermarket roller rockers can be, manufactured from a variety of materials. Before choosing a particular rocker package, one should have a complete understanding of the duty requirements of the rocker arms. The lower cost, lighter duty kits were designed to replace stock or milder cam and spring combinations. They are often manufactured from low cost, cast aluminum. They will not stand up to the rigors of stiff valve springs or extreme camshaft ramp speeds. The higher end kits which are made from high quality billet aluminum like 2025 t6 for instance, can withstand incredibly aggressive cam profiles and very high spring pressures. This particular alloy actually becomes stronger as the temperature rises. Steel is often used in the most expensive rocker arm kits, but it too can be subject to failure. When a steel rocker arm breaks, it is usually in the area of the trunions or trunion bearings. An oil pan full of needle bearings is a bad thing. While aluminum is not as strong as steel, it has some flexibility which allows the rocker body to take much of the punishment rather than the trunion.
Extreme camshaft ramp speeds cause the lifter to have difficulty maintaining contact with the camshaft lobe.
This condition is often referred to as "valve float". Aggressive or poor cam lobe designs or opening ramps with high acceleration rates can literally hammer the rocker arms and other parts of the valvetrain. To help control this condition, engine builders usually move up to stiffer valve springs. While this tends to solve the immediate problem, other issues generally appear. Exceeding the manufacturer’s recommend / allowable spring pressure is a sure way to kill the rocker arms. When in doubt, step up to the next level rocker arm. Doing the job twice is always painful. Determining which rocker to use for your particular application is the responsibility of the engine builder.
High pressure valve springs cause sever loads on the pushrods. These loads imparted into the pushrod cause it to bend and then return to a straight configuration. This unloads a sharp energy pulse to the rocker arm, which transfers it into the valve/valve spring assembly. Continued abuse can cause the rocker arm to fail. A better choice would be to utilize lighter valves, lifters, retainers, lighter / stiffer pushrods and moderately stronger springs.
Improper rocker arm geometry can place the rocker in disadvantageous positions which cause severe loading to the rocker. Too much of this, and the rocker arm can fail.
Insufficient clearances can subject the rocker arm to contact with other immovable objects. Coil bind, piston to valve clearance, retainer to seal clearance, etc. can force sever loads on the rocker arms that are not part of manufacturing concepts. The result, of course, is rocker failure.
One final cause of rocker demise is poor engine oiling. This can occur for a variety of reasons. Often overlooked areas that can cause serious oil pressure loss are the cam bearings and the main bearings. Improper / loose specs here allow a great deal of oil to escape and never reach the upper end and rockers. Poor oiling starves the trunion bearings, axles and nose wheels. Add aggressive cam profiles and high spring pressures to the equation and rocker arm failure is imminent.
 
Jeezus! ^^ lots of good info..

I just cranked my motor over by hand a bazillion times by hand and got the marks on the cam gears to line up with the links of the timing chain, motor is at tdc.. but it seems a little loose in one section.. is it still possible there is a skipped tooth in there somewhere?

I'm totally lost, I primed the lifters, measured the shims over and over, everything seems perfect. I really feel like something is fucked and I'm missing it here :confused:
 
Looks like there might be enough slack to be a tooth off. It's been a while, but my chain had some tension to it in between the cam gears.

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yIKes... this blows... I had 1 rocker arm break from over revving most likely but all four?! That's a first... What cams, springs, retainers are you running?
 
its hard to tell from the pic but it doesnt seem like your at tdc of cylinder one on the COMPRESSION STROKE where both valves are closed. again im judging by the pic and it looks like your exhaust cam is pointing down and your intake is pointing up. both lobes should point out. i think your timing is FUBAR
 
Yea It looks right as far as markings, but I can see one of the lobes slightly pointed upwards.. I'm not exactly sure how to fix that...

I guess set it at tdc on the crank, take the cams out and redo the whole deal?

Still.. It doesnt look like something that would blow all four rocker arms out of the head haha

I need somebody who know's their way around an SR better than me to take a look at this thing

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Alright so heres the new deal motor got put back together, all sealed up and boom no start no idea why

Do a compression test and now I have no compression in all 4 cylinders

as in ZERO, none, nil

Sounds to me like bent valves?
 
Alright so heres the new deal motor got put back together, all sealed up and boom no start no idea why

Do a compression test and now I have no compression in all 4 cylinders

as in ZERO, none, nil

Sounds to me like bent valves?

Yeah... If you had broken rockers because of timing issues ur vales must be mangled


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Yeah... If you had broken rockers because of timing issues ur vales must be mangled


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Fucking pity.. I spent alot on this damn thing. I guess I'll yank it again and rebuild..

BC valves, tomei HG, and a new timing chain on for insurance fackkk
 
Fucking pity.. I spent alot on this damn thing. I guess I'll yank it again and rebuild..

BC valves, tomei HG, and a new timing chain on for insurance fackkk

I've got a full set of BC valves std size used for like 10k miles in good shape I'd sell cheap lmk


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