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It already is more money more tax. Its a marginal system so its kind of confusing but to break it down, lets say you are a single man who earned $250k in 2008.

8025 x .1 = 802.5
(32550-8026) x .15 = 3678.6
(78850-32551) x.25 = 11574.75
(164550-78851) x .28 = 23995.72
(250000-164551) x .33 = 28195.17

Add that up and its $68249.74
With FICA (Social Security and Medicare) + $6,324
Total $74,573.74

Or 29.83% of income

If you made $30k in 2008 your taxes are:
8025 x .1 = 802.5
(30000-8026) x .15 = 3296.1

Which is $4098.6 income tax
FICA = (30000 x .062) = 1860
Total = $5958.6

Or 19.86% of income
 
MRS-ZZ30 had some good stuff in the beginning then instead of equal facts for both candidates through out it became very different. It was only negative info about Obama and Positive stuff about Mccain without equal facts. You are biased and your statements reflect that.

Until i see Cindy Mccain or her son Drifting I don't believe it.
 
Tonymac said:
It already is more money more tax. Its a marginal system so its kind of confusing but to break it down, lets say you are a single man who earned $250k in 2008.

8025 x .1 = 802.5
(32550-8026) x .15 = 3678.6
(78850-32551) x.25 = 11574.75
(164550-78851) x .28 = 23995.72
(250000-164551) x .33 = 28195.17

Add that up and its $68249.74
With FICA (Social Security and Medicare) + $6,324
Total $74,573.74

Or 29.83% of income

If you made $30k in 2008 your taxes are:
8025 x .1 = 802.5
(30000-8026) x .15 = 3296.1

Which is $4098.6 income tax
FICA = (30000 x .062) = 1860
Total = $5958.6

Or 19.86% of income
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Umm. let me put this side by side to show you who gets raped the hardest according to your calculations.

Man who makes $30K, gets taxed $5,958, is left with $24,042.

Man who makes $250K, gets taxed $74,573, is left with $175,427

What can you do with $175,000 compared to $24,000?

I'm pretty sure the guy who's getting taxed 10% more isn't going to starve.

The thing that's wrong about this country is people who think like some of you. Rich people, instead of wanting to help the people who are less fortunate than they are, they basically just want to step on them. If I made $250,000+ a year, I wouldn't mind being taxed a bit more, because I know there are people out there who are living 5 or 6 to a one room apartment, and there are people who aren't going to have a meal tonight, because they have other bills to pay. I think we need to unite and help each other out. Now what does piss me off is how this country spends our money on other countries. We send $10 billion a month to Iraq and $7 Billion+ a year to Israel, and these people aren't even American, this isn't even counting the many other countries we give aid to. How come we don't talk about that? How we give Billions of our American dollars to millions of people who aren't even American? Yet if a rich American has to help out an American less fortunate than him, he bitchs about it?
 
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metaru_gia said:
Umm. let me put this side by side to show you who gets raped the hardest according to your calculations.

Man who makes $30K, gets taxed $5,958, is left with $24,042.

Man who makes $250K, gets taxed $74,573, is left with $175,427

What can you do with $175,000 compared to $24,000?

I'm pretty sure the guy who's getting taxed 10% more isn't going to starve.

The thing that's wrong about this country is people who think like some of you. Rich people, instead of wanting to help the people who are less fortunate than they are, they basically just want to step on them. If I made $250,000+ a year, I wouldn't mind being taxed a bit more, because I know there are people out there who are living 5 or 6 to a one room apartment, and there are people who aren't going to have a meal tonight, because they have other bills to pay.
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I disagree. This country was founded on the idea of capitalism and a free market. The land of opportunity, not the land of economic equality. The Soviets tried that and failed. I'm not even close to earning 6-figure incomes but if/when I do, i'll be damned if somebody's going to try to convince me that all my hard work through college and my career should be shared with people who didn't put forth such effort. And don't try to tell me that xyz doesn't have ability to make more b/c of "insert sob story here." Or eat for that matter - if you starve in this country, you're a retard. There are enough meal kitchens and government handouts already to ensure that nobody starves. When was the last time you heard of somebody starving to death in this country b/c they couldn't afford food? This is not Ethiopia - our bums are fat for a reason. It is a FACT that as socialist economic practices prevail, unemployment increases b/c people know they don't need to work and the government will take care of them. I don't need/want a government interfering with my way of life. If I did, I'd move to France.

It might also be worth noting that the top 10% earners in this country also invest the VAST majority of money back into the economy which further stimulates growth and wealth. Taxing the top earners and corporations only inhibits a country's ability to grow. It is an undeniable fact. Its been proven historically that the free market economy is best for growth, development, and technological improvements. Yes, there are winners and losers in a free market but we need to think outside the country right now and think about where we will stand globally in the next 10 years b/c as long as trade exists amongst countries, we live in a global free market (obviously trade restrictions keep the global market from being truly free, but the scope of this discussion doesn't require such considerations). Inhibiting growth in the homeland only further damages our chances to compete globally...and if you haven't noticed, we're losing our lead already.
 
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I disagree. This country was founded on the idea of capitalism and a free market. The land of opportunity, not the land of economic equality. The Soviets tried that and failed.
I'm not even close to earning 6-figure incomes but if/when I do, i'll be damned if somebody's going to try to convince me that all my hard work through college and my career should be shared with people who didn't put forth such effort. And don't try to tell me that xyz doesn't have ability to make more b/c of "insert sob story here." Or eat for that matter - if you starve in this country, you're a retard. There are enough meal kitchens and government handouts already to ensure that nobody starves.........
unemployment increases b/c people know they don't need to work and the government will take care of them. I don't need/want a government interfering with my way of life. If I did, I'd move to France.
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ahhh finally college education put for a good use.......
I support tony i have approved this message :bigthumbu
 
Maybe clarify what you're talking about with factual data. The $10bil /month figure is a skewed statistic about what is being SPENT on the war in Iraq /month - not sent. And IDK what exactly you're referring to about Israel.

But before you get ahead of yourself, realize you are supporting a presidential candidate who has sponsored a GLOBAL TAX where we would be paying $850billion out to other countries over the next 10 years.
 
Can someone just answer me, what are we still doing in Iraq? What are we benefiting from still being in Iraq? What has Iraq done for this country? What do they plan on doing for this country? I help you when you need it, and you help me when I need it. Iraq has their own military, why are American troops still there? This seems like a total waste of American lives, money, and time. McCain/Palin have only been talking about prolonging this stupid war. That's why they're not getting my vote. I don't like Obama either, but like I said before, I agree more with Obama than with McCain. I don't have any other choice, thanks to this countries voting system.
 
I don't agree with the war in Iraq either but if we were to have just picked out one tyrannical leader and left, another would have stepped up to the plate and/or civil wars, coupes, etc could have taken place - then America would have been criticized for not assisting in Iraq becoming a secure, sovereign nation. I do agree that we should have finished up by now and the sooner we do, the better. How it pays off: we have a large stake in Iraq now (number of exports to Iraq are largest from the US while other countries - like China - have rapidly increased their exports in recent times too) and as foreign investment takes place (projected to be $1b by 4th qtr 08), development will increase. Development will speed up and increase consumption of goods. As the largest exporter, we get a direct economic boost from Iraq's future spending. The hope is that Iraq continues to maintain such trade relations with the US for years to come, therefor paying off our "investment" (ie: war) and then-some.
 
I understand and agree with your points. But I just think it's wrong thousands of young soldiers have given up their lives so this country can have relations with another country. I know the war wasn't all about that, but all the reasons that I have heard to justify this war, don't make up for the thousands of young men and women, who could have been living out their lives right now. It's just sad, I guess that's why I never enlisted, nor do I plan on doing so. I don't feel patriotic about this war.
 
I have very mixed feelings about the war myself. While i don't believe in a million years that 9/11 was orchestrated or in any way assisted by American political figures, i do believe they used smoke and mirror tactics to get approval by the American people to start a poorly planned, and in many ways unjustified war. At the same time Hussein was a genocidal maniac and a tyrannical leader who needed to go. But these characters seem to be a dime a dozen.
 
metaru_gia said:
The thing that's wrong about this country is people who think like some of you. Rich people, instead of wanting to help the people who are less fortunate than they are, they basically just want to step on them. If I made $250,000+ a year, I wouldn't mind being taxed a bit more, because I know there are people out there who are living 5 or 6 to a one room apartment, and there are people who aren't going to have a meal tonight, because they have other bills to pay. I think we need to unite and help each other out. Now what does piss me off is how this country spends our money on other countries. We send $10 billion a month to Iraq and $7 Billion+ a year to Israel, and these people aren't even American, this isn't even counting the many other countries we give aid to. How come we don't talk about that? How we give Billions of our American dollars to millions of people who aren't even American? Yet if a rich American has to help out an American less fortunate than him, he bitchs about it?
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bill gates is donating his entire fortune minus like 1-2% of his wealth to his charities. dont tell me rich people dont donate or help the community.

some old rich guy gave me money for SCHOOL. to further my education so that I maybe INFLUENCED BY HIS GENEROUSITY and will in turn donate back to my community and its a chain reaction. 80% of the world's population lives in the underdeveloped world, 20% of the world's population hold 84% of the world's wealth. we should be helping children in africa and other countries to get them to be more sustainable so the world can survive you idiot. omfg. not every damn person on here is richy rich. the majority of millionaires in this country have built their wealth building their own business and then selling it. if im paying for a damn education worth 45000 plus other schooling and the time i forgone to further myself. I sure as hell dont want people taking my money. I am all for bettering my community through donations I am willing to give and im willing to do it to better people because I CARE, but i do NOT appreciate myself supporting able-bodied unemployment benefit,wel-fare abusers with my hard earned monies. im sorry I agree with some parts about bringing the money we spend on other countries back into our country or paying down debt. but when you start accusing people of selfishness you sir are a hypocrite. why dont you practice what you preach and start giving to the church every sunday in the basket. why punish the ones who were smart enough make something of themselves?why not punish those who abuse the system. why am i barely able to get my car fixed, and afford books, tuition, gas and getting taxed on my income and STILL some welfare people DRIVE a DAMN BMW or ESCALADE!?!?!?

what is lacking in this damn country is the knowledge of investing, loaning, budgeting, and better financial management. thats why were in this damn recession mess is that people got approved for way more than they can afford. I understand that the majority of people who are suffering didnt do anything wrong that they just wanted a piece of the american dream. if we have to tax we should tax companies who send their executives on damn luxury hotel getaways like fucken AIG.

the government already provides public goods that benefit everyone in this country, but if you dont know how to utilize it and use it to your own benefit, then you fail.

/rant

sorry i had to speak my mind.

metaru_gia said:
Can someone just answer me, what are we still doing in Iraq? What are we benefiting from still being in Iraq? What has Iraq done for this country? What do they plan on doing for this country? I help you when you need it, and you help me when I need it. Iraq has their own military, why are American troops still there? This seems like a total waste of American lives, money, and time. McCain/Palin have only been talking about prolonging this stupid war. That's why they're not getting my vote. I don't like Obama either, but like I said before, I agree more with Obama than with McCain. I don't have any other choice, thanks to this countries voting system.
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im very mixed on this issue, it all seems like the vietnam war. its just destruction, but my older brother is over there and i support our troops.
 
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I will go on the record as saying if I ever make more the $250.000 a year I wont mind paying higher taxes. Its the least I can do for a country as great as ours and for fellow Americans not as fortunate as me. I know what its like to be one of those "sob story guys", I live on my own and have a new car and lots of goodies but I am not arrogant enough to claim it was all my hard work, I know I got some luck along the way but not much by the way of help.

They should just do away with income tax and just tax goods at a higher price. The more toys you buy the more tax you pay.

Also I would like to go on the record and say if I do get rich I will not adopt or help feed a starving child in another country. Partly becuase I am a dick and partly becuase if I am rich I would rather help my fellow Americans. Thats just the way I feel.
 
The_Sinister_7 said:
I will go on the record as saying if I ever make more the $250.000 a year I wont mind paying higher taxes. Its the least I can do for a country as great as ours and for fellow Americans not as fortunate as me. I know what its like to be one of those "sob story guys", I live on my own and have a new car and lots of goodies but I am not arrogant enough to claim it was all my hard work, I know I got some luck along the way but not much by the way of help.

They should just do away with income tax and just tax goods at a higher price. The more toys you buy the more tax you pay.

Also I would like to go on the record and say if I do get rich I will not adopt or help feed a starving child in another country. Partly becuase I am a dick and partly becuase if I am rich I would rather help my fellow Americans. Thats just the way I feel.
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^^^The only person I agree with fully here.

Oh and Anna, you can get your point across without having to call someone an idiot because they have a different point of view.
 
^ Were fighting a war to finish it completly, I agree that i want it to be over but the fact that people would compare it to Vietnam is ridiculous. In Vietnam we lost over 58,000 troops that are inscribed on the wall in DC. Over 380,000 were injured to a point where they would deal with the injury for the rest of their lives. We dont even come close to those numbers in this war. I grew up in the military therefore m viewpoint is different than most on this board. However when you start something you should finish it.

And if people really dont like the United States and how things are run than they should get the hell out.
 
Well its not even a point of view. An interesting read if you care (on the subject of charity):
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2682730&page=1

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ABC reports on charitable donations: "It turns out that this idea that liberals give more …is a myth. Of the top 25 states where people give an above average percent of their income, 24 were red states in the last presidential election... Turns out conservatives give about 30 percent more, [despite] making less money."

and

...households with incomes exceeding $1 million (about 7 percent of the population) make 50 percent of all charitable donations.

So you can have an opinion that the evil, arrogant, capitalist republicans don't donate money...but its wrong and if you did 5 seconds of research instead of living in a bubble of assumptions, you'd know it too.
 
japan101 said:
^ Were fighting a war to finish it completly, I agree that i want it to be over but the fact that people would compare it to Vietnam is ridiculous. In Vietnam we lost over 58,000 troops that are inscribed on the wall in DC. Over 380,000 were injured to a point where they would deal with the injury for the rest of their lives. We dont even come close to those numbers in this war. I grew up in the military therefore m viewpoint is different than most on this board. However when you start something you should finish it.

And if people really dont like the United States and how things are run than they should get the hell out.
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I agree about the war, cant leave them hanging and you never know what country will become the next big power.

If you dont like the way the country is run then vote or run for president yourself. If that fails, then leave the country :D

I believe everything will balance out, at least I hope so. The middle class needs some sort of help, I just dont know how they are going to do it. They cant print more money and redistribution of wealth seems like a well hated plan. I dont see how this economy is going to be saved.

They should have never approved a bailout, that sort of sets a precedent for socialism. Which I dont think it is a bad thing but it could possibly be a bad thing, time will tell.

Tonymac said:
Well its not even a point of view. An interesting read if you care (on the subject of charity):
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2682730&page=1

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ABC reports on charitable donations: "It turns out that this idea that liberals give more …is a myth. Of the top 25 states where people give an above average percent of their income, 24 were red states in the last presidential election... Turns out conservatives give about 30 percent more, [despite] making less money."

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...households with incomes exceeding $1 million (about 7 percent of the population) make 50 percent of all charitable donations.

So you can have an opinion that the evil, arrogant, capitalist republicans don't donate money...but its wrong and if you did 5 seconds of research instead of living in a bubble of assumptions, you'd know it too.
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Then those people wouldnt have a problem donating to government. The government has programs to help the needy too.

No free rides though, if you dont work starve.
 
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