S2K drift lovers. . .

Whatever, if you don't like 86s because they drift differently, that's nice. I am tired of hearing, "OMG! The 86 is too slow. Blah blah blah." Whatever douche bags. If you are all about power, go drag racing or something. Ueo won the 2002 championship, the first D1 USA, and he was still winning after that. The 86 is competitive. Does everyone like the 86? No. Simple as that. But to call a car gay for a stupid reason like that is fucking stupid. You don't like the car, ok, that is nice. You don't have to drive it, or even watch it. Just leave it alone.
 
jdm ae86t, nobody called your car gay so stfu. I said the handicapping rules in D1 are gay. And they are.

The Redline 03, I don't analyze d1 and I don't feel like reading about your analysis of d1. I drive shit. I only replied b/c you are under a false belief that power makes things easier. With power comes speed and with speed comes difficulty because as a driver you have less time to act and react. I don't give a fuck about 86's but I KNOW they are handicapped in D1.
 
Tonymac said:
jdm ae86t, nobody called your car gay so stfu. I said the handicapping rules in D1 are gay. And they are.

The Redline 03, I don't analyze d1 and I don't feel like reading about your analysis of d1. I drive shit. I only replied b/c you are under a false belief that power makes things easier. With power comes speed and with speed comes difficulty because as a driver you have less time to act and react. I don't give a fuck about 86's but I KNOW they are handicapped in D1.
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I never directed shit at you. So don't tell me to STFU. Anyway, let's stop this fucking nonsense. If you don't care about 86s, that is fine. I don't care if people hate it or love it. I drive my car for me, not for anyone else. I believe it's hard to compete in an 86 in D1, FD, or whatever you guys fantasize about. The 86s don't win all the time, so it seems like an even field to me. Handicap this, handicap that. I don't see any handicaps when I watch D1 events. I see a 500 hp car pulling 500 cars on a naturally aspirated 86 on the straight, and then the 86 catching up in the corners. Wait, are you complaining about having to wait at the starting line when the 86 is leading? Ok, look at it this way. You wait a little longer, so that way you can catch up to the 86 in the straight while coming in at full entry speed. So guess what? It's the same shit one way or the other. If you would like to enlighten me by showing me the rules and whatever, show it to me. I am not challenging you, I am just saying educate me a little more on this subject. One way or the other, the 86 is not so easy to stay competitive in, but they still manage to pull a few wins every season.
 
Generally all underpowered 86 haters. :D Look, I am just tired of people talking shit. Everyday, some idiot comes up to me, "Why don't you boost the car? You need power to drift, right?" I'm tired of people thinking drifting is about power. Drifting is about car control and skill. I like the way the N/A 86 drifts because it is very violent, and not everyone can make one drift. Even harder to win in one. I would love to prove myself in an N/A Corolla. Learning to drive in an underpowered car teaches you techniques in how to keep a car drifting. Competing in an underpowered car proves yourself as a driver keeping up with the big dogs making 500 whp or more. Look man, we both said shit that we didn't like to each other I guess. Let's just leave it at that. Anyway this is a stupid topic. There is nothing important to fight about here. What are we fighting for? A stupid car? I think we are more grown up than that man. I have my beliefs and proofs about my shit, and you have yours.
 
I am not an 86 hater. I like them for what they are. I can accept what they are. Ueo is one of my favorite D1 drivers, right next to Kumakubo. I never said you need power to drift, but to keep up with the big dogs you do. AFAIK, like many things in Japan, it's a gentleman's rule to wait for the following car. Drifting an "underpowered" powered car isn't hard, just learn to hate your clutch.
 
Look, I am happy we can come to an understanding. I still believe the 86 is competitive, but atleast we talked it out and understand each others views a little better. Hope to see you at Moroso.
 
Well, where to start? It's not that I analyze d1, I analyze drifting in general, so when I say something I have proof not just an opinion. If you read what I posted I said the words drifting and easy don't go together, be it underpower or higher hp cars. Every car is driven differently. By your way of thinking then I can say higher hp cars are "handicapped" on a tighter, more technical track because it limits the power it can put down(this I speak from 1st hand experiance by tandeming with higher hp cars). There really is no handicap unless there's a long straight and the power output of each car is very different(I explained that before).

It's not a "handicap," every track has an advantage to a certain type of car more than the other. A handicap is something no matter what you do your stuck with, like trying to drift a fwd or even awd car in competitions no matter the track layout. A lot of the things you said I explained in the other post, I tried to be as clear as I can while explaining things(sorry for it being kinda long). See its healthy to have civil disagreements, its how people become more open minded, which in return makes you better overall :bigthumbu .
 
The Redline 03 said:
Well, where to start? It's not that I analyze d1, I analyze drifting in general, so when I say something I have proof not just an opinion. If you read what I posted I said the words drifting and easy don't go together, be it underpower or higher hp cars.
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Yes but you also said this:

The Redline 03 said:
Drifting is...not (about) power. The power just helps make the job easier of course.
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Which, once again, was what I was responding to initially.


The Redline 03 said:
I can say higher hp cars are "handicapped" on a tighter, more technical track because it limits the power it can put down
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You could say that but then you'd sound ignorant. How does power, in any circumstance limit one's capabilities? How about power bands...or size of power plants? There are too many factors involved to make a blanket statement like that. And don't confuse being given a handicap on account of a lack of performance with the ups and downs of each vehicle being referred to as a handicap (of sorts).


The Redline 03 said:
There really is no handicap unless there's a long straight and the power output of each car is very different
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Which is all I ever talked about. Waiting for a slower car would be a huge PITA. It would ruin the course entry for the faster car which would then throw off the performance for the rest of the course. Imagine if JGTC had only a GT class and higher hp cars accelerated at less than WOT on the straights. That would be some amazing racing huh? No, it would suck balls. So why should faster cars have to wait for slower cars in tandem? If you think that's cool, awesome. I think its gay.
 
Power will help someone drift easier, when power starts to make it "harder" is when you start getting into the massive hp numbers around 500hp+ or so. That's when for many reasons its like riding a wild mustang or bronco(the horses). Massive power makes it harder to drive then.

By no means ever imply I'm ignorant. You asked how power can limit someone's capabilities well it's very easy with decent power someone can rely on power too much and eventually plateau on getting better. I've seen it happen many times. While the people who stayed underpower learn proper technique and keep getting better because they have no choice. When they do add decent power to their cars, it helps them. The keyword is massive power(500hp+ or so).

Well, if you want to compare other motorsports I gladly can also. By your reasoning you can say in GT racing the Porches are "handicapped" on the straights by the Vipers, Corvettes and others big power cars. The Porches are still competitive in similiar characteristics like the more underpowered cars in drifting. The Porches need to maintain momentum up no matter what, weigh less so they have to late brake the other heavier cars to keep up. Everyone needs to use every inch of their car's advantages in all motorsports to do well.

We may have had an misunderstanding on some parts. Yeah, the long straights I say we both agree on the higher hp having a very big advantage and having to wait. There's a certain point they pass when the higher hp car can just go full throttle, this can be seen more in Road Atl. What I meant in all these responses is in competitive motortsports when the power output of one car's engine gives them a huge advantage they will be restricted, so its not gay its apart of all motorsports to showcase driver skill not power. A good driver can adapt to many things thrown at him. This only applies in drifting on long straights.
 
The Redline 03 said:
Power will help someone drift easier, when power starts to make it "harder" is when you start getting into the massive hp numbers around 500hp+ or so. That's when for many reasons its like riding a wild mustang or bronco(the horses). Massive power makes it harder to drive then.

By no means ever imply I'm ignorant. You asked how power can limit someone's capabilities well it's very easy with decent power someone can rely on power too much and eventually plateau on getting better. I've seen it happen many times. While the people who stayed underpower learn proper technique and keep getting better because they have no choice. When they do add decent power to their cars, it helps them. The keyword is massive power(500hp+ or so).
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Once again, the faster you go the less time you have to think - risk is proportionally increased as well causing newer mental barriers to overcome. If you think drifting is easier at higher speeds, which is what you are essentially saying, you are definitely ignorant on this subject. Not to mention you have NO experience behind the wheel of a powerful drift car. You have clearly admitted to thinking power (up until your newer definition of "massive power") makes drifting easier but I am here to tell you, from experience, you are wrong. Slight increases in power (like NA KA to stock SR) can obviously get the tires spinning easier, but we're talking POWER here. When I went from a stock SR to a 400whp SR, the job did not get easier nor did it prevent improvement.

The Redline 03 said:
Well, if you want to compare other motorsports I gladly can also. By your reasoning you can say in GT racing the Porches are "handicapped" on the straights by the Vipers, Corvettes and others big power cars. The Porches are still competitive in similiar characteristics like the more underpowered cars in drifting. The Porches need to maintain momentum up no matter what, weigh less so they have to late brake the other heavier cars to keep up. Everyone needs to use every inch of their car's advantages in all motorsports to do well.
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Huh? You completely missed my point. If Vipers and Corvettes had to wait for Porsches (not porches), you'd have a point.
 
hey i haven't seen any posts from AP2 he drifts a s2k kinda. The traction control kicks in mid slide and either spins or shoves you out of the angle. Although the 06 s2k has a button to turn of the traction control and then its easy sliden. The cars driftable but due to the cost of the car, and parts it dosn't make a good drift car. sry -SAS
 
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