Tonymac said:
86's are competitive with power. Without it, its handicapped and that's gay.
Well, if you mean 86s are competitive to win a championship with more power I'll agree with you on that but not if you mean to do well at any given event. There are varieables that changes things like track layout, rain, etc. I wouln't say its hanicapped and can't do well with lower hp but it would be very hard(no room for mistakes). In motorsports as in life there's no absolute. If it goes to a more technical, smaller track the advantage goes to the smaller, mostly underpowered cars it doesn't mean they will win but the advantage is there. That comes straight out of D1.
Tonymac said:
No that's called a mistake. Take OGP for example. I was entering at about the same point (give or take a ft) as Funk, who was at the time driving an NAKA while I had about 320whp that day. I had the faster entry speeds too. I only overshot the turn once and that was my mistake, power had nothing to do with it. Factors that come into play are tire size, driving technique, angle, ect. I could have overshot with an NA car initiating at the same point.
Your right, it was a mistake. Did you really watch that run and what the judges said and how Miki fell in the "trap"? Also note how Miki never waited for Hibino and pulled on him on the straight and Hibino reeled him back in by turn 2 after the straight in one of the runs(when Miki was leading). Miki followed the underpower car line and gained too much momentum, you can tell because both cars rotated at the same time when the 86 was up front.
For example a decently powered 86 can drift most of the Irwindale bank and connect the rest of the layout, the problem is drifting a lot of the bank scrubs off too much entry speed and D1 has a newer rule about minimun entry speed to qualify. So they start later to not lose as much momentum(this comes from a D1 86 drivers themselves). The explanation to what you said is he may have been entering too early for the the power the na Ka had. So he may have been following a higher hp car's entry. So of course you would enter faster, with power you'll get up to speed faster at that point. You have to drive the car you have as efficiently as you possibly can and every car is driven differently to be competitive.
Tonymac said:
That is just not true. Drivers in higher hp cars are told to wait for the slower, lower hp cars following them. That's gay and that's a handicap.
Well, that rule was set for when the power output of the two cars are too different and there is a very long straight, its to even the playing field. They put restrictions in all motorsports when the power output of the cars are too different. Drifting is about car control not who can build a more powerful motor and drag race their way down the straight 1st. In all honesty many times that rule is not needed unless theres a very long straight, when even a 300whp car is underpowered compared to Kuroi's RB powered S13 or Nomuken's Skyline.
Just look at it like this how would you enter at full throttle, your car's full potential and as fast as you possibly can with the car you drive to maximize your points. The more underpower cars(usually lighter like Miatas, 86s, etc) rely on later entry, being on the throttle longer, late braking the less mass car to reel the other car in. The more powerful cars rely on higher entry speed, earlier entries(to use all the car's power and scrub off that higher speed). Like I said before its usually around the 1st clipping point the dogfight is on and we see who the better driver is that day, that's what drifting is all about.
