If anything happens....

Piner said:
I never said it was the shitiest country I love this country we live in but if we just sit back and let the assholes ruin it and take away our rights like they have been doing for the last few years

The Patriot act - authorizes warrentless wire taps on anyone they see fit. Totally against our leagal system and constitution.

No, actually it does not. I would love for you to prove otherwise.

piner said:
The Military Commissions act - Gets rid of habus courpus, so that means they can detain you for as long as they like without trial or knowing why you were arrested if they see fit.
Wrong. The act requires that a person has engaged in hostilities or has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States

Piner said:
The free speech you are saying is so great in our country then why do you get mad when people use it?

Being upset about anti-American POV's does not infringe upon yours or anybody else's rights. He's merely exercising his own right to free speech by expressing how disgusting it is to hear people talking shit about a country he obviously loves and respects.

Piner said:
Why can you be ruined in the country for expressing your views if we have free speech?

I don't get it.

Piner said:
Also if you don't think they are working to take more of your freedoms away as we speak,

Let me ask you this, since the Patriot act or any other act you are against has been passed, how have your rights ever been infringed upon?


Piner said:
then your probly one of those people who think the middle easterners attack us cause was are rich and free.

You're a walking, talking contradiction. You've posted enough BS on this sight claiming that the attacks on this country were orchestrated by our own government that its laughable you'd even TRY to make a valid point using an opposing perspective. I'm not going any furhter either until you elaborate as to which attacks you're referring to and which "middle easterners" hate us. I'm sure some Israelis would be pissed to be put in the same category as the Palestinians (and visa-versa). Same goes for the other middle eastern countries you've so conveniently blanketed as one large, organized group who share the same opinions, values, beliefs, ect. AND FWIW, there is plenty tangible evidence that we are hated for our freedoms and beliefs by the people of certain middle eastern countries.

piner said:
The why don't they attack Switzerland or Amsterdam? they are alot freer then we are. Plus their stand of living is higher for all.

Piner said:
Not us serving them.

Again with inconsistencies. You fear things like your government starting another draft or us having to serve them, yet you boast about a country like Switzerland (which is internationally neutral and would make little/no sense to attack) that has a fucking MANDATORY military service for EVERY able bodied male.

Ricky Cash said:


i like this country, there are certain freedoms here you wont find many places. however to correct your statement, Prescott Bush (George Bush's daddy's daddy) funded Hitler and his op.


More BS.

wikipedia said:
Harriman Bank was the main Wall Street connection for several German companies and the varied U.S. financial interests of Fritz Thyssen. Thyssen had been an early financial backer of the Nazi party until 1938, but by 1939 had fled Germany and was bitterly denouncing Hitler. He was later jailed by the Nazis for his opposition to the regime. Business transactions with Germany were not illegal when Hitler declared war on the United States (December 11, 1941), but, six days after the attack on Pearl Harbor, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed the Trading With the Enemy Act after it had been made public that U.S. companies were doing business with the declared enemy of the United States. On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of German banking operations in New York City. President Franklin Roosevelt's Alien Property Custodian, Leo T. Crowley, signed Vesting Order Number 248 seizing the property of Prescott Bush under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The order cited only the Union Banking Corporation (UBC), of which Prescott Bush was a director and held one share, which had connections with a Dutch bank owned by Thyssen. Fox News has reported that recently declassified material "The 4,000 Union Banking shares owned by the Dutch bank were registered in the names of the seven U.S. directors, according a document signed by Homer Jones, chief of the division of investigation and research of the Office of Alien Property Custodian, a World War II-era agency that no longer exists"[2]. By 1941 Thyssen no longer had control over his banking empire which was in the hands of the Nazi government.

* E. Roland Harriman--3991 shares (managed and under voting control of Prescott Bush)
* Cornelis Lievense--4 shares (He was the New York banker of the German Nazi Party)
* Harold D. Pennington--1 share (Employed by Prescott Bush at Brown Brothers Harriman)
* Ray Morris--1 share (a business partner of the Bush and Harriman families)
* Prescott S. Bush--1 share (director of UBC, which was co-founded and sponsored by his father-in-law George Walker; senior managing partner for E. Roland Harriman and Averell Harriman)
* H.J. Kouwenhoven--1 share (organized UBC for Von Thyssen, managed UBC in Nazi occupied Netherlands)
* Johann G. Groeninger--1 share (German Industrial Executive, a not unimportant member of the Nazi party)

The Harriman business interests seized under the act in October and November 1942 included:

* Union Banking Corporation (UBC) (for Thyssen and Brown Brothers Harriman). The President of UBC at that time was George Herbert Walker, Prescott Bush's father-in-law. He is the grandfather and great-grandfather of the former and current Presidents Bush.
* Holland-American Trading Corporation (with Harriman)
* the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation (with Harriman)
* Silesian-American Corporation (this company was partially owned by a German entity; during the war the Germans tried to take full control of Silesian-American. In response to that, the American government seized German owned minority shares in the company, leaving the U.S. partners to carry on the business.)

The assets were held by the government for the duration of the war, then returned afterward. UBC was dissolved in 1951. Prescott Bush was on the board of directors of UBC and held one share in the company. For it, he was reimbursed $1,500,000. These assets were later used to launch Bush family investments in the Texas energy industry.

Toby Rogers has claimed that Bush's connections to Silesian businesses (with Thyssen and Flick) make him complicit with the mining operations in Poland which used slave labor out of Auschwitz, where the Auschwitz concentration camp was later constructed.

The New York Herald-Tribune referred to the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, as "Hitler's Angel" and mentioned Bush as an employee of the investment banking firm Thyssen used in the USA. The underlying importance is Hitler's known ideology; intelligent business partners clearly knew who they were doing business with. There is no evidence that Thyssen, Harriman or Bush were willing to do so with Hitler. Some records in the National Archives, including the Harriman papers, document the continued relationship of Brown Brothers Harriman with Thyssen and some of his German investments up until his 1951 death.[4] Investigator John Loftus has said, "As a former federal prosecutor, I would make a case for Prescott Bush, his father-in-law (George Walker) and Averell Harriman [to be prosecuted] for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. They remained on the boards of these companies knowing that they were of financial benefit to the nation of Germany." Two former slave laborers from Poland have filed suit in London against the government of the United States and the heirs of Prescott Bush in the amount of $40 billion. A class-action lawsuit filed in the U.S. in 2001 was dismissed based on the principle of state sovereignty.[5]




and yeah america put a hand in ww1, they send a cruiseliner in the path of terror(which sank) and kinda entered themselves. sacrificing innocent lives for what. War is big business. I'll let you research yourselves (if you can tear yourselves away from tv). no need in feeding grown ass adults

That's not what happened at all. :ugh:
 
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jdmnismo300 said:
i can just see piner on the side of a buildin coverd in gold rope chains after bush is assasinated and da economy sky rockets and hes just left with tacky ass gold lol

Gold is always valuable economy or not. Why because there are limited quantities of it. Unlike our current monetary system you cant just print gold and silver.

Our dollar today is worth .04 of what it was in 1913 when the federal reserve was created. Printing money out of nowhere fucks the middle class and poor. but it makes the richest richer. Our money is only worth the paper its printed on past that its only valuable because people believe it is.

Prices don't go up the value of our money goes down. That will never change unless we start useing another form of currency backed by commodities.

Plus if bush is assinated then nothing will change cause then the real president will come to power Dick now he wont have a middle man.
 
Piner, Piner, Piner, you can't force truth on anyone, especially when they were reared in lies. All you can do as someone with knowledge is sit back and watch what unfolds. for it will come to pass. and all the doubters will just stand there in ¿ befuddlement ?. it will be a sad time even though i might be smiling on the inside. Seriously no matter how much you look to look out for someone else well being because you love them, you have to let them learn. its like Christians telling people about salvation. not everyone will believe. and you or I shouldn't expect everyone to believe. or force views on stubborn, narrow minded people either right?
 
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