Florida Drift Points Series

Another 18 year old kid with a mommy and daddy honda talking shit about someone's driving on the sideline. I would of paid harri the $40 bucks to rent the track car out to put this kid in it. So he can make a ass out of himself.
 
e30 gangsta said:
Another 18 year old kid with a mommy and daddy honda talking shit about someone's driving on the sideline. I would of paid harri the $40 bucks to rent the track car out to put this kid in it. So he can make a ass out of himself.
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That was the point of the rental so shit talkers can put there skills whare there mouth is.
 
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sorry emil i had too....
 
^^ lol. that slidexkid has to be like a 16 yr old super street/modified mag subscriber who endulges in long masturbatory sessions to pictures of goats with a1 steak sauce for lube. dude if you want i will go half with guillermo to watch you drive at the next ter-tech. hold me to it./rant
i've been speakin to some of the guys and we are gonna give it a trial run at the next countyline
 
Im completely down for this.
Points, money, whatever. Im down. I just wanna drive some kinda of actual competition. I dont care about winning or lossing, I just think competition would be a good fucking time. Im tired of single car run events. Im gettin caged next month, so I'll be ready.
 
guys, i hate to throw reality into the mix but i think you guys are missing alot of details that make events like ter-tech happen... time, money and commitment

like how many cars will you average per event?
how much is the entry fee for drivers and spectators?
how much is track rental?
insurance?

I know everyone thinks they know but what happens if your "perfect" event doesnt make enough money to cover the event? who pays that bill?

sit back and think guys, there is a reason why there isnt 40,000 events going on... people need to make money to justify their time and commitment. everyone is all about it now b/c this idea is in its "honeymoon" stage but what happens when the shit hits the fan? who will be there to answer for everything... some guy who doesnt get paid? i highly doubt it.

listen, i am just trying to show you guys that everything always works in "theory" but when it comes down to implementing those ideas, no matter how much planning you have done, sometime it just fails.

a points only series sounds good in theory... but bills got to be paid

if you guys are DEAD serious about this (this is the whole commitment thing) go out and start a legit operation and make it happen, dont just sit back and make a rulebook and expect some other person to be like, i will take it from here.

ask harri and tim just what it takes to run an event... i am pretty they will tell you its not hopes and dreams.

sorry for the rant but it needed to be said
 
Cross quoted from one of my websites where this info was posted

Josh said:
Not to be a pessimist but I doubt it will happen. There are individuals (including myself) that have a tight grip on their venue. Unless he works with each event organizer he is going to screw himself because the venue will stay loyal to those that have made them their home. I have not received any sort of correspondence regarding this, if I did, he would have my full support and I would push it with OSW. Doing something like this by yourself (which seems to be what he is doing) will be an epic fail.

OSW = maybe; invading my territory (would like to be contacted)
Homestead = would be sweet but doubtful
Desoto = will probably not be holding drifting events much longer
County line = will work until they get busted for lack of safety/insurance
Moroso = who know what is going to happen with drifting and moroso after construction is done; invading on harri's territory


Pretty much all I see is a lot of talk and have not seen any actions taken in regards to making liaison with the various venues and/or event holders.


-Josh who is waiting for an email or phone call

p.s. by no means am I casting this idea down, I am 100% for it and will support it to the max but, right now the way things are being approached is a logistical nightmare and I for see it taking a nose dive before it takes off
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if you need my contact info it is josh(at)ziptied(dot)com, I am more than willing to pull all contacts and strings to get this off the ground and into action... just be forewarned, running an event is not a cake walk, don't bite off more than you can chew


Edit: to further emphasize what was said in the post above mine..... The current events are not going to be canc'd at the various venues in Florida to make way for an upcoming series, I can promise you that. He makes a very valid point regarding current attendance and the lack of in some way shape or form. Keep in mind that you will have a select group of individuals and a set audience that you are aim for and you are going to try and hold additional events at each venue aside from the ones already on the schedule.

Here is the kicker of all kickers... A very little known aspect of running a 'practice event' (which is what all events in Florida are classified as) is that that once you go from practice to competition, the cost of insurance almost quadruples. You will need a LLC to keep from getting sued, shit; even you will need insurance with your LLC for liability amongst other things. Just keep this in mind before you get overwhelmed.
 
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jdm s13 said:
guys, i hate to throw reality into the mix but i think you guys are missing alot of details that make events like ter-tech happen... time, money and commitment

like how many cars will you average per event?
how much is the entry fee for drivers and spectators?
how much is track rental?
insurance?

I know everyone thinks they know but what happens if your "perfect" event doesnt make enough money to cover the event? who pays that bill?

sit back and think guys, there is a reason why there isnt 40,000 events going on... people need to make money to justify their time and commitment. everyone is all about it now b/c this idea is in its "honeymoon" stage but what happens when the shit hits the fan? who will be there to answer for everything... some guy who doesnt get paid? i highly doubt it.

listen, i am just trying to show you guys that everything always works in "theory" but when it comes down to implementing those ideas, no matter how much planning you have done, sometime it just fails.

a points only series sounds good in theory... but bills got to be paid

if you guys are DEAD serious about this (this is the whole commitment thing) go out and start a legit operation and make it happen, dont just sit back and make a rulebook and expect some other person to be like, i will take it from here.

ask harri and tim just what it takes to run an event... i am pretty they will tell you its not hopes and dreams.

sorry for the rant but it needed to be said
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FINALY someone put it the way it is... thank you!
 
Josh said:
Cross quoted from one of my websites where this info was posted



if you need my contact info it is josh(at)ziptied(dot)com, I am more than willing to pull all contacts and strings to get this off the ground and into action... just be forewarned, running an event is not a cake walk, don't bite off more than you can chew


Edit: to further emphasize what was said in the post above mine..... The current events are not going to be canc'd at the various venues in Florida to make way for an upcoming series, I can promise you that. He makes a very valid point regarding current attendance and the lack of in some way shape or form. Keep in mind that you will have a select group of individuals and a set audience that you are aim for and you are going to try and hold additional events at each venue aside from the ones already on the schedule.

Here is the kicker of all kickers... A very little known aspect of running a 'practice event' (which is what all events in Florida are classified as) is that that once you go from practice to competition, the cost of insurance almost quadruples. You will need a LLC to keep from getting sued, shit; even you will need insurance with your LLC for liability amongst other things. Just keep this in mind before you get overwhelmed.
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Very well put man, I think we can work something out. There is enough commitment in the entire state to work something out. Lots of new venues are taking a chance with drifting from moroso to homestead they are looking at drifting with new eyes. The problem is to get unified and work something out with out ego and greed getting involved. I know the drivers are there, and i know the commitment is there.


ps: damn i should have gone to the tertech event and talked smacked to get some free seat time on that rental coupe...lol
 
you guys are not reading correct. re-read what we have posted. yes its just an idea that we would like to push forward with but at this point it would just be for fun, no money involved. everyone is taking this to be like the nopi replacement, thats not what it is. this would just be for fun, simple friendly competition, which we hope to "piggyback" off of already ongoing events. nothing on our own just work WITH event coordinaters to maybe just have it go on in the backgrounnd
 
MiaS13 said:
you guys are not reading correct. re-read what we have posted. yes its just an idea that we would like to push forward with but at this point it would just be for fun, no money involved. everyone is taking this to be like the nopi replacement, thats not what it is. this would just be for fun, simple friendly competition, which we hope to "piggyback" off of already ongoing events. nothing on our own just work WITH event coordinaters to maybe just have it go on in the backgrounnd
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dudem, we know what you are saying. But to have such a series we need sponsors and sponsor will not put their name and money on the line for a "lets have fun series" Drift Session, Tertech etc... they are not going to put money out of their pocket to buy prices etc... yet if everybody unites and starts a LLC under one name with one bank account design for the Point series purpose only.. then it might work. Organizer end up either loosing money or breaking even, ask Drift sessions and ter tech about that. So what makes you think they are going to organize a comp when they have to buy the prizes out of their own pockets. It sounds like fun and an easy thing to do, but if you want to something like this work you need a total commitment from track owners, drivers, sponsors, organizers and some guaranteed spectators...
 
MiaS13 said:
you guys are not reading correct. re-read what we have posted. yes its just an idea that we would like to push forward with but at this point it would just be for fun, no money involved. everyone is taking this to be like the nopi replacement, thats not what it is. this would just be for fun, simple friendly competition, which we hope to "piggyback" off of already ongoing events. nothing on our own just work WITH event coordinaters to maybe just have it go on in the background
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  • You still need a LLC
  • You still will be paying 4 times for insurance (means the cost of all events will go up to cover it)
  • Either do it, or dont. Dont half ass it and turn it into a abomination.
  • You would have to coordinated logistically with all track (not all track run the same rules, what might fly at countyline WILL not fly at OSW)
  • Did I say you need an LLC regardless?
  • You are going to have individuals that do not want to participate and only want to drive there normal practice that bitch and complain because you are taking their practice time away for your 'fake' comps

I seriously can go on forever. This type of thing there are so many different aspects that you have to attack it from to pull it off I dont think you are ready to even do this for fun (no offense). What would be 'easier' imho is if every event holder got together over some beer and wings and unified events.

Think of it like this.

  • events would be scheduled around each other
  • same rules, tech,regulations across the board
  • some sort of point system worked out from event to event (keep in mind the price increase b/c of insurance)
  • A LARGER COMMUNITY THAT IS NOT SEPARATED BY NORTH SOUTH EAST OR WEST
  • nuff said


I am reading correctly. I know exactly what your intentions are and I am trying to explain what it is going to take for something of its magnitude to work. There are many other avenues to approach this with, it just need to be deliberated between the community and event holders. I am always open to suggestions as is harri and everyone else. I never hear anything though (at least away from the event itself).

-Josh
 
Josh said:
  • You still need a LLC
  • You still will be paying 4 times for insurance (means the cost of all events will go up to cover it)
  • Either do it, or dont. Dont half ass it and turn it into a abomination.
  • You would have to coordinated logistically with all track (not all track run the same rules, what might fly at countyline WILL not fly at OSW)
  • Did I say you need an LLC regardless?
  • You are going to have individuals that do not want to participate and only want to drive there normal practice that bitch and complain because you are taking their practice time away for your 'fake' comps

I seriously can go on forever. This type of thing there are so many different aspects that you have to attack it from to pull it off I dont think you are ready to even do this for fun (no offense). What would be 'easier' imho is if every event holder got together over some beer and wings and unified events.

Think of it like this.

  • events would be scheduled around each other
  • same rules, tech,regulations across the board
  • some sort of point system worked out from event to event (keep in mind the price increase b/c of insurance)
  • A LARGER COMMUNITY THAT IS NOT SEPARATED BY NORTH SOUTH EAST OR WEST
  • nuff said


I am reading correctly. I know exactly what your intentions are and I am trying to explain what it is going to take for something of its magnitude to work. There are many other avenues to approach this with, it just need to be deliberated between the community and event holders. I am always open to suggestions as is harri and everyone else. I never hear anything though (at least away from the event itself).

-Josh
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Once again i agree with you. you seem to have a better idea of what is needed.
 
MiaS13 said:
you guys are not reading correct. re-read what we have posted. yes its just an idea that we would like to push forward with but at this point it would just be for fun, no money involved. everyone is taking this to be like the nopi replacement, thats not what it is. this would just be for fun, simple friendly competition, which we hope to "piggyback" off of already ongoing events. nothing on our own just work WITH event coordinaters to maybe just have it go on in the backgrounnd
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this idea hasnt even gotten any forward progress and you already have problems with it... multiply that times 100 if this idea ever comes into fruition.

piggybacking is lame! to me it just screams that you dont believe in your idea to back it up yourself... but that is just me.

i know what you are trying to accomplish but if you are serious about it... then do it! IF your idea is good enough, people will respond. but dont half ass it, come up with a goal and DO NOT WAIVE FROM IT. start making calls today.

good luck... keep us posted on your progress
 
^ You really are not reading what Emil originally suggested. You are following the huge "utopia" that everyone blew a small idea way out of proportion to.
 
MiaS13 said:
i was reading the nopi thread and how that went down the pooper, and i noticed alot of the guys were saying to put together a points series for florida. i know there may be certain things that i dont know about but the idea is not bad and i personally think could work. there are alot of drivers down here that would be willing to participate. it could be a cooperation effort between like Ter-Tech, Drift Sessions, Desoto Drift, OSW, and like Fara.

there are available tracks
-Countyline
-Homestead
-Desoto
-Orlando Speed World
-Moroso (when completed)

The Series could span over a couple months with maybe like 8-10 events.
and maybe 3 classes just to accumulate more drivers

-Beginner (Basic Tech) Solo Runs
-Intermediate(Basic Tech) Solo Runs
-Advanced(Cage, Suits, Window Nets) Tandem Battles

Drivers Would have to qualify and get put into classes. and at the end of the season, drivers can get bumped up based on performance

And as a whole we vote in judges. they award points and at the end of the season we hold a awards thing and top 3 in each catergory get a trophy like guille and rod said


Event cost for those who want to participate would naturally cost more (like 10-15bux). but i think it would get everyone pumped and alot of guys would participate. and it could grow to something big and attract sponsors and ultimatly more drivers.


just an idea
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i can read just fine... i am just speaking from experience that things just arent as easy as one would think.

I never said not to do it... I am just stating that if a person has an idea that they believe in, then do it! he could be hailed as a king or walk home in defeat.

but like i said... good luck
 
rwdrift said:
^ You really are not reading what Emil originally suggested. You are following the huge "utopia" that everyone blew a small idea way out of proportion to.
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Wrong! I/we are reading into exactly what he is saying. You are just not understanding what is being said.

  • You can not have comps with out increase in insurance and entrance fees FACT
  • You can get away without it but insurance companies do scout out venues (Trust me, I have seen/met/spoke to enough at OSW to know that they DO infact mean business and will cancel your policy if you are caught frauding them.
  • You can not have a 'small' or 'fun' or whatver competition. You either have it or you dont.
  • This would be considier a coaltion of events i.e. a business venture so you would need to form an LLC. The problem with that is who will hold it? You? Who are you? The track? Which one? Me? Hell no! These are things that must be figured out before even the first baby step is taken.
  • There is no utopia, you can not make everyone happy, you can only please the crowd (spectators) because they came to watch and guess what they are going to watch, not drive, so honestly as long as there is some sort of drifting, spinning, amazingness going on they are happy.... What about everyone else? What about the ones that just want to practice? What about the ones that where promised a comp with points ? Yea.. get one person by themselves and they may seem happy and content... put that same person with 2 others and all of a sudden there is a shit storm brewing.
  • I understand this is an idea or a 'golden child' but an idea is just an ideauntil it is acted on and you can not act on it they way you are going about it, a informal comp will not happen EVER, trust me I know... I have been trying to run a mini-comp at my events for the past 3 years but no one ever wants to do it, everyone just wants to drive and not worry about the stress it would genrate.
  • Welcome to florida where the players play and the drivers, well bitch about it.


FlyinFINN said:
So who's gonna do it?
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I vote not me. I turned down NOPI's offer to run race control for a reason, because i saw it going down hill. I am not going to step in for something of this magnitude until a direction is decided on, I have help to make the logistical magic sparkle and have the support of the majority of you. In other words? It will probably never happen... But a dreamer can dream right?


Like I said above in a fw posts back. The best bet for something like this to happen is to leave it up to the event holders to form some sort of coalition/union and unite. The community is there, the community does not need to unite, it is the events that need to come together.



I like turtles.
 
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^^ If theres no tandem. We won't need any more insurance as before. FACT. They are talking about a fun completley pointless (but with points) competition. I wouldn't do it that way.
 
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