building ka-t

[green_machine]

Having worked on KAs for years and now having a SR so far I can tell you it runs a lot smoother, is a lot quieter even with NO exhaust, and seems to be very fun/peppy to drive. IMO KA-Ts should not be an option unless you're REALLY, REALLY good at troubleshooting/fixing stuff... I could have gone KA-T but I felt the SR would be less of a headake, and so far I'm right.

You probably have new motor mounts, a good clutch .and new everything, so dont say it runs smoother. Thats dumb. And of course it is faster-It has 200 hp. and of course it is quieter, it has a turbo. He's not looking for a ka vs sr thread.

 

[SrSteve]

I'm sorry for thread jacking bro... But i'm just tired of people saying KA > SR.... bla bla bla I don't think any motor is better then the other... I just want to hear a legitimate list of why a KA is better ... So far Mr Under Control hasen't given me anything... And I totally agree with what m4ned said when both are built it all depends on the tuner.... If you have Sooooo many reasons then plzz tell me if not don't say anything if you can't back up your reasoning.... imho...

 

[Tonymac]

You probably have new motor mounts, a good clutch .and new everything, so dont say it runs smoother. Thats dumb.

SR's do run smoother. The dispalement factor alone hurts the KA when it comes to how it runs/sounds/feels.

bottom line...ka is faster.....sr...more reliable....imho

Faster KA? Where?

I'm sorry for thread jacking bro... But i'm just tired of people saying KA > SR.... bla bla bla I don't think any motor is better then the other... I just want to hear a legitimate list of why a KA is better ... So far Mr Under Control hasen't given me anything... And I totally agree with what m4ned said when both are built it all depends on the tuner.... If you have Sooooo many reasons then plzz tell me if not don't say anything if you can't back up your reasoning.... imho...

Don't let it get to you. There will always be a large number of anti-SR, KA people for one main reason...KA(T)'s are more accessable and cheaper for your average consumer. You can buy a 240 and get more power out of a KA(T) and for less money than an SR (including the cost of the motor of course). Because of this, there's a huge crowd that choose not to see the negatives and only focus on the positives (of the KA) while at the same time, focusing only on the negatives and none of the positives of the other (more expensive) approach (SR). It's the same reason why Honda people will swear up and down that B16 is better than an LS1 b/c of it's "technological superior" to "stupid pushrods" meanwhile they're proven to be strong, powerful, and are winning races left and right in ALMS and other series. Just let it go and have some fun...these fights will never stop though.

 

[SrSteve]

+1 very true...

 

[pjmrnolife]

lets have two teams with 5 grand per team, one with ka and one with sr and have a reliabilty/power build. see which team makes the most reliable power

 

[Ka-Tony]

umm.. I believe Angel from sfl240sx.com has a Ka-t putting down 542 to the wheels on stock internals.

Both motors have pro's and con's. its really more of a personal choice. do you want a higher reving motor or not? do you want more ft lbs of torque per hp or not? Do you want smaller or bigger displacement?

SrSteve have you ever heard of the search button? i told you that we have already been over this. just do a lil research and you'll find the thread.

Btw dori dori, you forgot to mention one of the biggest reasons alot of kids get sr's.......It's JDM. and they think it will make them drift better.

I dont wanna mention any names but i know a couple people on this forum who wouldnt drift there cars unless they had there sr. they think its a requirement....gasp...lol

 

[alibaba]

u all sux go find the old ka vs sr thread and post on there, the kid seems like he has alrdy decided on ka-t so just leave it at that so if u got any thing that help him out then good, if not go to the other thread

 

[pjmrnolife]

its so funny how americans build their cars to look like stock japanese ones.. neway good luck with the ka-t! i want one to!

 

[Hairetsu]

umm.. I believe Angel from sfl240sx.com has a Ka-t putting down 542 to the wheels on stock internals.

Both motors have pro's and con's. its really more of a personal choice. do you want a higher reving motor or not? do you want more ft lbs of torque per hp or not? Do you want smaller or bigger displacement?

SrSteve have you ever heard of the search button? i told you that we have already been over this. just do a lil research and you'll find the thread.

Btw dori dori, you forgot to mention one of the biggest reasons alot of kids get sr's.......It's JDM. and they think it will make them drift better.

I dont wanna mention any names but i know a couple people on this forum who wouldnt drift there cars unless they had there sr. they think its a requirement....gasp...lol

I agree with the Choice. It's all personal choice. I'm choosing to go KA-T. I'm not going to just toss a 800$ ebay turbo kit on and blow it up. I'm going the more expensive way. I enjoy the KA. I've driven an SR20 240 aswell. It's not that I don't like it. it's that I have money to make the KA reliable, fast, enjoyable. You don't go around seeing KA's pushing 450hp reliably. It's unique. Sr's are more often seen these days in drift cars. It's a Cheaper short term route. being you can buy a Black top SR for around 23-2500 uncut harness etc, and thats prolly what its gonna cost to have the head redone to handle 450hp on a KA. + not to mention everything else you need.

Steve, Lets not get all crazy about why it's better, they both have great advantages, and disadvantages. Oh and See you at the Event bro, Joeys got a spot too!

and I would agree with people that don't drift cause they don't have a SR or Suspension etc. I've been drifting with my car since I've got it. (dec 2004) granted i've blow the engine and hadn't had it running for a while, I've been drifting it with stock suspension and stock KA for quite some time. I have people that would say for a stock 91 240 I'm pretty decent, as for tonight :O. learn on what you got to work with, it can only make you better. so what if it's more difficult. or completly different feel. you can still practice things like exiting drifts, e-brake initiation, clutch kicking, brake initiation. What do you have to lose?

 

[Tonymac]

umm.. I believe Angel from sfl240sx.com has a Ka-t putting down 542 to the wheels on stock internals.

Even if that's true (IDK and you seem confused yourself), it won't last. It's stupid to have a stock internals war. If you really want it though, a fresh alloy member put down 667rwhp on a stock block sr. If you want a built bottom war, well we know which is the winn4r there too, don't we?

Both motors have pro's and con's. its really more of a personal choice.

Agreed, but then why did you open this can of worms in the first place?

Btw dori dori, you forgot to mention one of the biggest reasons alot of kids get sr's.......It's JDM. and they think it will make them drift better.

Is that so? Sorry, I didn't survey every SR swaped 240sx's owner so I didn't know this was true!

I dont wanna mention any names but i know a couple people on this forum who wouldnt drift there cars unless they had there sr. they think its a requirement....gasp...lol

People think it's a requirement to drift with power. I don't believe I've ever met anyone who refuses to drift without an sr. Tell us who they are, PLEASE. They need to be slapped if that's how they really feel.

 

[SrSteve]

why are we carrying this topic on anymore????? a motor is a motor there will always be the one who like and dislike we'll just have to deal with it... personally I like both motors if they're maintained correctly.. I'll rock a NAKA,KA-T, or an SR any day without a problem.. just leave it at that...

 

[BK_S14_05]

i basically have every thing for a ka-t set up already but i just wanted to make the motor more stronger. thats why i wanted to build the motor. im not against doing a sr swap, but i dont have the funds to do it, if i had a hook up on a sr than that would probably make me lean more to doing the sr swap than going ka-t. But then i also have to extend the harness which cost money from what i see. and then theres the fact that i dont really know what to do when swapping an sr.

 

[Ka-Tony]

Even if that's true (IDK and you seem confused yourself), it won't last. It's stupid to have a stock internals war. If you really want it though, a fresh alloy member put down 667rwhp on a stock block sr. If you want a built bottom war, well we know which is the winn4r there too, don't we?

Its lasted for almost a year now. so i think its holding up quite fine.

Agreed, but then why did you open this can of worms in the first place?

You're to defensive about the sr. I just stated that byp will give u a shytload of reasons why the sr = teh gay. call them up and see for yourself? btw, there a grassroots shop with a 750hp Ka.

Is that so? Sorry, I didn't survey every SR swaped 240sx's owner so I didn't know this was true!

BTW, try looking up the word SARCASM when you get a chance. :bigthumbu

People think it's a requirement to drift with power. I don't believe I've ever met anyone who refuses to drift without an sr. Tell us who they are, PLEASE. They need to be slapped if that's how they really feel.

Im not going to put anyone out there just to prove a point. but, you're right about the slapped part though. :laugh:

 

[Tonymac]

Its lasted for almost a year now. so i think its holding up quite fine.

OK, that's an outright lie. While you may think I'm a one sided SR fool, you're wrong. I've kept up with quite a few KA(T) builds (Angel's being one of them) and I KNOW that's a lie. He was running C16 in his tanks when he was at 400whp in March so quit trying to mislead me (or others).

You're to defensive about the sr. I just stated that byp will give u a shytload of reasons why the sr = teh gay. call them up and see for yourself? btw, there a grassroots shop with a 750hp Ka.

Because you don't have a mind for yourself I should take up my time to call up byp and hear more 1 sided crap? FWIW, I've had discussions with them in the past (about 3 years ago) and I don't care to have anymore. If I were to call them though, I'd be asking them why their cars are the dyno queens of the 240 world and never break any records at the track. And their big builds are far from grassroots.

BTW, try looking up the word SARCASM when you get a chance. :bigthumbu

Ummm, I think you're the one that needs help in that department. :ugh:

 

[SrSteve]

LOL this shit is funny.... I think Mr "Under Control " is getting a little defensive there don't you think...when I come to a conclusion I have made logical points to back myself up and are willing to tell if asked... From my understanding of this conversation "Under Control" hasen't made any factual supporting details to defend his opinion. And thus is using this byp's shops opinion saying "call them and they'll tell you". Well I think some would like you to tell us the thousand reasons y motor c > f since you know that they have so many reasons.

 

[Ka-Tony]

OK, that's an outright lie. While you may think I'm a one sided SR fool, you're wrong. I've kept up with quite a few KA(T) builds (Angel's being one of them) and I KNOW that's a lie. He was running C16 in his tanks when he was at 400whp in March so quit trying to mislead me (or others).

First of all angel is in the 400 club. i confused him with Barney who is in the 500 club on ka-t.org. Better..? Sorry to all of you guys that i've "MISSLEAD" so horribly...

Because you don't have a mind for yourself I should take up my time to call up byp and hear more 1 sided crap? FWIW, I've had discussions with them in the past (about 3 years ago) and I don't care to have anymore. If I were to call them though, I'd be asking them why their cars are the dyno queens of the 240 world and never break any records at the track. And their big builds are far from grassroots.

What have you ever built to compare to BYP since there so full of "1 sided crap"? Because they HAVE built sr's before for customers like you who cant do the swap yourself. They have far more experience with the motor you own then you do. Plz dont bash on a shop because of there experience and knowledge. Just because they knock on your motor doesnt mean they dont know shyt.

If anyone is full of "1 sided crap" here, its you. Or plz tell me how many Ka's have you built? Taken apart? owned? turbo'd? Blown? have trouble shooted?plz do tell... im really interested in knowing your absolute knowledge on Ka's to have a 2 sided opinion.

Ummm, I think you're the one that needs help in that department. :ugh:

^ Right.... :laugh:

 

[Phil @ Aero K]

Ca18 Powerrrrrrrrr!!!

 

[Tonymac]

What have you ever built to compare to BYP since there so full of "1 sided crap"? Because they HAVE built sr's before for customers like you who cant do the swap yourself. They have far more experience with the motor you own then you do. Plz dont bash on a shop because of there experience and knowledge. Just because they knock on your motor doesnt mean they dont know shyt.

If anyone is full of "1 sided crap" here, its you. Or plz tell me how many Ka's have you built? Taken apart? owned? turbo'd? Blown? have trouble shooted?plz do tell... im really interested in knowing your absolute knowledge on Ka's to have a 2 sided opinion.

I'm not really bashing BYP. I even said their builds were above grassroots level. :ugh: And although I'm sure they have actually built at least one SR, an SR swap does not constitute as a build. I never even got into tech details with you as to what I don't like about KA's (or SR's for that matter) which is why I'm amused that you think I'm bashing. As for their (BYP's) and your SR bashing...those guys have a serious complex as do you which is why I'm going to do my best ignore your pointless SR banterings from this point on.

Oh, and I've worked on lots of KA. Boosted and not. More than SR's. Actually, my SR is the only one I really have any time on. If you want to see pics of MY build, there's a thread started by me in the members rides section. Where's yours? :boring:

 

[Ka-Tony]

I should take up my time to call up byp and hear more 1 sided crap? FWIW, I've had discussions with them in the past (about 3 years ago) and I don't care to have anymore. If I were to call them though, I'd be asking them why their cars are the dyno queens of the 240 world and never break any records at the track

^Bashing...

Not that im out to prove anything but, ill post pics and graphs as soon as im done with the new setup. Just for you. :bigthumbu

Btw, just cuz i dont like sr's doesnt mean that i have a "complex". its just an opinion. jeez i wonder how your gonna deal with some ones opinion about your drifting. :ugh:

 

[Tonymac]

^Bashing...

Not that im out to prove anything but, ill post pics and graphs as soon as im done with the new setup. Just for you. :bigthumbu

Btw, just cuz i dont like sr's doesnt mean that i have a "complex". its just an opinion. jeez i wonder how your gonna deal with some ones opinion about your drifting. :ugh:

THAT's bashing? You're rediculous!

As for how I deal with the opinions of others when drifting, contrary to what you might think of my personality, I happen to strongly value the opinions of others. Not to pat myself on the back here or anything but I'm probably one of the only decent drivers you'll see at the track still ask for ride alongs from other drivers (who's skills I respect) for the sole purpose of gathering an opinion while most others have too much pride to do so. EVERY event I've ever done I've taken somebody with me to get their opinion and later asked for it from other guys watching. You know absolutely nothing about me.